Buffy 5×21: The Weight of the World

[Review by Mike Marinaro]

[Writer: Douglas Petrie | Director: David Solomon | Aired: 05/15/2001]

Probing. That’s how I’d describe “The Weight of the World.” In what seems like padding and a calm before the storm, there is actually a lot of fascinating dialogue if you pay close attention. This is no action extravaganza or even traditional build-up, but rather an episode built on ideas and choices. Buffy faces a choice to remain in her catatonic state and disappear into a world of guilt and pain. Ben faces a choice of whether or not to kill Dawn to save himself. The Scoobies must choose what to do next now that their group is damaged and Dawn is gone. In the midst of all of these choices are the ideas which bind it all together. Ideas involving the true extent of humanity’s insanity and the fight that goes on within each one of us. I love episodes that give me a lot to think about and this one delivers, hence my love of it.

The Scoobies are in complete disarray with Buffy in a catatonic state, Giles badly injured, and Tara insane. With all of those people down Willow steps up to plate, magically splits apart a quarelling Xander and Spike, and scares everyone into cooperating. Willow being scary is not something we have really seen before. The creepiness that permeates her in S6 begins to surface here along with her now frequent use of magic. Neccessity is spurring it forward here, but she has no clue what all this usage is doing to her. For now, though, it proves useful as she mystically jumps in Buffy’s mind — something everyone says is extremely dangerous — to help her come out.

Once inside, we get thrown a series of interesting images and comments. Buffy’s taking the form of a child, which represents her desire to live her life again without the weight of the world on her shoulders — to return to simpler times where she can just be happy again. She appropiately says, “I like it here.” Then Buffy’s parents enter the room holding a baby Dawn, obviously together and very happy which has been one of Buffy’s wishes for a long time now, and Joyce asks Buffy, “Don’t you want to be the big sister?” Buffy’s response, “No, I wanna be the baby,” is so perfect to her character and makes complete sense in where her mind’s at. Back in “No Place Like Home” [5×05] she posed the question, “why can’t I ever be L’il Punkin’ Belly?” Buffy really wants to still be a girl with a loving mom and a dad. The world is forcing her to grow up and she’s fighting it with every last fiber of her being. This is a struggle that isn’t completely overcome until the immensely important “Normal Again” [6×17] , and I really sympathize with her every step of the way.

In this same scene we see Buffy ask to take care of Dawn sometimes, which shows that a part of her still wants to accept some of that responsibility. Willow then sees Buffy replaying the Spirit Guide’s message: “Death is your gift.” This leads to current-age Buffy, dressed in black, smothering Dawn with a pillow. This makes it clear that Buffy still sees that message as meaning that her ability to kill things is her gift. Willow’s trying to say that she’s not really sure what it means, but Buffy won’t listen.

Eventually after some prodding from Willow we get some clear answers as to why Buffy’s retreated into herself. We find out that recently, for a brief moment, it just hit her that “Glory will beat me. And in that second of knowing it, Will… I wanted it to happen … I wanted it over. This is, all of this, too much for me. I just wanted it over. If Glory wins, then Dawn dies. I would grieve. People would feel sorry for me. But it would all be over. I imagined what a relief that would be. I killed Dawn.” Buffy feels that her thinking she’ll lose made it happen — made her lose Dawn.

But Willow’s there to tell her it’s not over yet: “You’ve carried the weight of the world on your shoulders since high school. And I know you didn’t ask for this, but you do it, every day. And so you wanted out for one second, so what?” Succinctly put Willow. This manages to get Buffy out of her land of guilt, although it’s obvious from the moment she snaps out of it that she still has to expell her sorrow. Then, after all of this, she comes back only to find out that if Glory’s ritual starts, the only way to stop it is to actually kill her sister. Yikes.

On the other side of the fight we see a morally confused Glory and a morally compromised Ben, both negotiating and fighting with each other while Dawn’s caught in the middle. It’s interesting that in extended presence of Dawn the magic that separates Ben and Glory begins to dissapate causing short boughts of confusion and further insanity for Glory and loads of guilt and disgust from Ben. This is very cool and allows each to feel what the other is feeling. Glory feels guilty for what she’s doing and even tries to make Dawn feel better, which is completely antithetical to the definition of a hellgod. At this point Ben still isn’t willing to sacrifice Dawn to save himself. Glory just wants to physically rip Ben out of her and asks a minion to do as much. The minion tells her one of the things I love about this series, “You risk terrible magics in opening the portal. Nothing comes without a price. This is yours.” In Buffy magic always has consequences — a price.

The shining moment of this episode for me is when Glory goes on about human existence. Here’s a grim and chilling look on our race: “People. How do they function? Here. Like this, in the world, with all this bile running through them. Every day, it’s… Whooo… you have no control they’re not even animals they’re just these meatbaggy slaves to hormones and pheromones and their, and their… feelings. Hate ’em! I mean really, is this what the poets go on about? This? Call me crazy, but as hard core drugs go, human emotion’s just useless. People are puppets, everyone getting jerked around by what they’re feeling – am I wrong? Really, I want to know.” Glory is right to an extent. Humans are often ruled by their emotions, often-times overly so. But as Buffy tells Kendra way back in “What’s My Line? Pt. 2” [2×10] , “my emotions give me power. They’re total assets!” And Buffy was right. Without these emotions we’d live in a world that was excessively uninteresting… where life wouldn’t even be worth living.

Glory goes on to say, in her most potent piece of dialogue ever, “Funny, ’cause I look around at this world you’re so eager to be a part of, and all I see’s six billion lunatics looking for the fastest ride out. Who’s not crazy? Look around – everyone’s drinkin’, smokin’, shootin’ up, shootin’ each other or just plain screwing their brains out because they don’t want ’em anymore. I’m crazy? Honey, I’m the original one-eyed chicklet in the kingdom of the blind ’cause at least I admit the world makes me nuts. Name one person who can take it here. That’s all I’m asking – name one.” Wow.

Dawn claims Buffy can, but we can see she’s having all kinds of issues living in this world. But fortunately humanity is not as dark as Glory would have us see it. For all the awful stuff Glory talks about, which is unfortunately a part of humanity, there is an opposite in the positive. There are people loving, sharing, helping, and caring. People with joy in their lives and in their families. Sometimes it can feel the way Glory puts it — just watch the local evening news. But fortunately life is more a mix of the good with the bad, which is what makes living just so interesting.

All of this comes into play during the scene where Ben and Glory are frequently melting into each other. Glory is trying to negotiate with Ben, even offering him immortality, to allow her to bleed Dawn. Ben isn’t willing to kill Dawn himself before the ritual — he can’t bring himself to do that. But when Glory offers him immortality, and he knows she means it, he changes his mind and decides to cooperate with Glory. She tells him “When you’re immortal, all this crap you’ve been carrying around inside – the guilt, the anger, the crazy-making pain… it all just melts away, like ice cream. Trust me. When all this is over, I can set you up real nice. I’m making it easy. It’s you – or the girl.” Well, Ben finally decides to go with himself.

At this point, though, I must express some confusion as to what Ben’s options actually are. If he kills Dawn early then Glory will fade and he’ll have his life to live. If he lets Glory bleed Dawn he’ll cease to exist unless Glory hooks him up, which she offers here. But if he helps get Dawn get away from Glory wouldn’t that be better for everyone except Glory? Glory would fade, Ben would have his life, and Dawn would live. I’m confused as to why Ben never considered this option.

Anyway, I feel this episode is a real success. It gets us thinking about all the choices in front of all the players and the tough decisions they must all make. We get to see and feel what both the heroes and the villains are seeing and feeling which makes the final fight in “The Gift” [5×22] all the more powerful. “The Weight of the World” isn’t perfect by any means, and it can be a bit slow in places, but I think it succeeds at giving this entire situation more depth and perspective.


Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)

+ Spike hitting Catatonic Buffy claiming “Buffy likes it rough.” Xander doesn’t take kind to this behavior.
+ Spike desparately trying to get across the whole “Ben is Glory” topic. “Are you all very stoned? … It’s like a bloody sitcom.” Very funny!
+ Spike slapping Xander for his Ben/Glory stupidity.
+ Spike lighting a cigarette right next to a no smoking sign.

– The Doc is far too one-dimensional. He works for Glory but we don’t even really know why. Minor missed opportunity here.




44 thoughts on “Buffy 5×21: The Weight of the World”

  1. [Note: mark_davo posted this comment on January 19, 2007.]

    I’m confused as to why you think Ben had the option to help Dawn since Giles makes it clear in the next episode she will always be a part of him: his exact reason for killing him.
    Taking Glory’s offer not only guarantees him immortality, but a chance to exist without his ‘sister’ inside him.


  2. [Note: Dingdongalistic posted this comment on January 19, 2007.]

    At this point, though, I must express some confusion as to what Ben’s options actually are. If he kills Dawn early then Glory will fade and he’ll have his life to live. If he lets Glory bleed Dawn he’ll cease to exist unless Glory hooks him up, which she offers here. But if he helps get Dawn get away from Glory wouldn’t that be better for everyone except Glory? Glory would fade, Ben would have his life, and Dawn would live. I’m confused as to why Ben never considered this option.

    I was under the impression that either Ben thought that Buffy didn’t stand a chance of winning, or that Buffy would be able to kill Glory if she destroyed the Key, or that Glory would not fade away if the opportunity was missed.


  3. [Note: Rick posted this comment on January 19, 2007.]

    I’m not so much concerned with why Ben would choose that option (see Dingdong’s comments), but rather why he would trust Glory. I’m sorry, I don’t see her setting him up nicely even if he did help her out. He’s thwarted her plans and royally pissed her off for twenty-some years; and in Spike’s words, I don’t think she’d “fancy him living forever.”

    I completely agree with your grade here. Perfect theme, perfect characterization. Slow plot, couple nitpicks etc.


  4. [Note: Dingdongalistic posted this comment on January 19, 2007.]

    I’m not so much concerned with why Ben would choose that option (see Dingdong’s comments), but rather why he would trust Glory. I’m sorry, I don’t see her setting him up nicely even if he did help her out. He’s thwarted her plans and royally pissed her off for twenty-some years; and in Spike’s words, I don’t think she’d “fancy him living forever.”

    I personally think Glory plays on Ben’s fears of mortality and what happens to him if Dawn fades – he doesn’t trust her, but he feels like he’s run out of choices, and above all he’s sick of fighting and in the end acts in what he thinks to be his best interests.


  5. [Note: MikeJer posted this comment on January 20, 2007.]

    Are you guys forgetting that Ben can hear what Glory’s thoughts are? He know Glory actually is telling the truth about her offer because they are melding together more and more.


  6. [Note: bookworm posted this comment on January 20, 2007.]

    about the lunatics walking the earth-thing: I consider it wonderful, that Anya answers this question in “end of days” (s.7) with

    “And they have no purpose that unites them so they just drift around blundering through life until they die, which they know is coming yet every single one of them is surprised when it happens to them. They’re incapable of thinking about what they want beyond the moment. They kill each other, which is clearly insane, and yet here’s the thing. When it’s something that really matters, they fight. I mean, they’re lame morons for fighting but they do. They never, they never quit. So I guess I will keep fighting, too.”

    which is yet another proof, that the story isn’t told after s.5, that they need 2 more seasons.


  7. [Note: Dingdongalistic posted this comment on January 22, 2007.]

    Are you guys forgetting that Ben can hear what Glory’s thoughts are? He know Glory actually is telling the truth about her offer because they are melding together more and more.

    They’re melding together a lot by that stage, but Glory still has a huge amount more power than Ben, so I think it’d be dodgy to trust her word at that point. However, it was probably that which convinced her, the fact that he had access to a much clearer picture of her mind at that point.


  8. [Note: Tranquillity posted this comment on February 19, 2007.]

    I like this episode and always found it really interesting to see how the scoobies react to Buffy’s catatonia. it really is a very effective forshadow of their life without that is just around the corner. Willow automatically takes charge with great authority. They all seem to cooperate better with Spike when buffy is not around. It is interesting to contrast this scene with the season six opener where they all continue the patterns established in this episode.


  9. [Note: AeC posted this comment on March 18, 2007.]

    One thing that’s bugged me about this ep is the fact that, when Doc asks Spike about Dawn, there’s no reaction whatsoever from Xander. Spike swore Dawn to secrecy about that particular errand, and there’s been no indication that she broke that trust. Granted, the group’s in a crunch and doesn’t have much time for extraneous chit-chat, but even a quick sidelong glance at Spike, just something to express, “Wait, you brought Dawn to a demon who you just told us was not exactly reputable?” would have been welcome.


  10. [Note: LibMax posted this comment on October 12, 2007.]

    Where do we get the idea that Glory will fade if Dawn is killed or escapes? Maybe I missed it, but I don’t remember anything that gave that impression. Ben is stuck with Glory until the day he dies, which is when and how she will die according to the way her fellow Hellgods banished her and conjoined her with him. That’s clearly what both Ben and Giles believe after Buffy spares Ben and Giles doesn’t (“Well, looks like you and me, sis” is what I think Ben says).

    So getting rid of Glory and living his own life is not on the menu of Ben’s options, no matter what does or doesn’t happen to Dawn. One of the reasons he was opposing her plan, sad to say, is that he expected to die when she finished the ritual and went home. Her promise to “set him up” changed his mind. Also, continuing to live, even with Glory pushing him around and wrecking everything he tries to accomplish, was clearly still preferable in his eyes to dying – he doesn’t exactly welcome being smothered by Giles.


  11. [Note: LibMax posted this comment on October 12, 2007.]

    Oh, and regarding why Ben would take Glory’s word? Additional possibilities include that he knows she’s just too simple-minded to lie (she never tells a single lie in the whole season, and even corrects herself when she gives a false impression, for example when she tells Dawn that the Key is evil), or that he is a bit short on alternatives.


  12. [Note: buffyholic posted this comment on November 28, 2007.]

    Interesting ideas, themes in this episode. Love the speech by Glory and I love what´s going on inside Buffy´s mind. This is really about choices, whether is Buffy or Ben. Great stuff.


  13. [Note: Selene posted this comment on July 24, 2009.]

    Okay, let me get this straight: Willow is bad and wrong for using magick so much, even to help avenge what happened to Tara, but it’s okay for her to use magick to do anything Buffy asks of her, or to enter Buffy’s mind to help Buffy. Double standard much? You can’t have it both ways.


  14. [Note: Nix posted this comment on July 24, 2009.]

    It seems to me to be a sort of karmic justice. Magic is never *safe*, but if used with care to help someone else can be coped with. Magic used for your own benefit or against someone else will backfire horribly.

    (I can’t think of any instances in the series where one of those conditions didn’t hold.)


  15. [Note: Selene posted this comment on July 24, 2009.]

    So it was wrong of her to use magick to reverse Glory’s brainsuck of Tara so she could have her girlfriend back? That is, after all, a pretty selfish motive.


  16. [Note: Shannon posted this comment on July 24, 2009.]

    No, because reversing the brainsuck was used to help someone else. Of course she wanted her girlfriend back, but she was also returning Tara to sanity, which is not an entirely selfish motive. However, it was wrong to try to use magic to avenge Tara, which is what she did when she went to Glory’s place and got all crazy black-eyed for the first time. In that case she nearly got herself killed and may have pissed Glory off enough for her to subsequently come after them and discover Dawn. There’s a distinct difference between the two uses of magic, and decidedly different outcomes to the two situations. I think Nix is correct in his assessment.


  17. [Note: Lucy posted this comment on September 10, 2009.]

    I just watched this episode again last night and only just clicked that as well as Glory starting to feel guilt because of Ben, Ben starts to be really self-obsessed and a bit evil too because of Glory. When he first reappears and starts whining about Glory killing all of the Knights:
    “I mean, doesn’t she ever think of ME in all this? I have a job, I have a life..blah blah”
    I think his decision to help Glory was based on selfish motives to become immortal. He was more willing to make this decision because he was infected with Glory-ness.

    Poor Ben, he was just like Dawn, a victim in this whole thing.


  18. [Note: Sarah posted this comment on May 5, 2010.]

    one very subtle line Willow said that I thought was interesting – when Anya warned how dangerous it would be to enter Buffy’s mind, Willow at one point said, “it’s not exactly well-explored territory.” This has two meanings – from a magic perspective mind travel has not been well-explored, but also Buffy’s mind in particular is so complex and difficult for others to relate to b/c she’s the slayer, and in that sense Willow could also mean that trying to understand Buffy herself is not a well-explored territory. Subtle writing, Love it.

    Selene is getting Willow’s whole struggle all wrong. I love that this show doesn’t make any sort of black-and-white statements. Yes sometimes the magic she does is good and helpful, but like mike constantly reminds us, this show is about things having consequences, and so her use of magic is an ambiguous issue. it is sometimes good, sometimes bad, but the point to focus on is the effect it’s having on Willow herself.


  19. [Note: Shrek posted this comment on August 11, 2010.]

    So the ritual requires bleeding the key, as per ancient scrolls, and closing the portal again requires the blood to stop.

    But that means for the key to be used, it has to be human. So then why did the monks make it human in the first place? It’s useless to Glory without having blood to drip on the portal.


  20. [Note: Jason posted this comment on September 1, 2010.]

    Ugh, what a total waste of an episode. (imho, of course! 🙂 ) From pretentious psycho-imagery to the useless comic failure of “Glory is Ben?” to the Glory – Ben argument that went on *way* too long, this entire episode could have just never happened and this viewer would be happy. The previous two episodes ratcheted up the suspense to an almost unbearable level, and the next will be (presumably) a masterpiece. Hated this one, though.


  21. [Note: NK posted this comment on February 24, 2011.]

    I admire this episode more than I like it. A lot of shows would have rushed straight onto the finale, but this one tries to say something meaningful about its characters instead. It could have been better-executed, but the sentiment is admirable.


  22. [Note: Nix posted this comment on July 26, 2011.]

    Shrek, there are more holes than that in the ritual. The ritual also includes anointment and special clothing: typical for religious rituals, but not so typical for an operation that can only be performed once when the universe ends. Where did the clothing come from? Where did the idea of it come from? How would they have anointed, or indeed as you say, *used* the Key if it was in the form of a fire extinguisher or the Golden Gate Bridge? (One assumes the monks were trying to make the Key retrievable in case they survived Glory, which explains why they didn’t transform it into a rock eleven miles down in the Mariana Trench, or a litre of air, but still.)

    On a deeper note, how did anyone learn what the Key did without trying it and ending the universe? Perhaps there’s some probing magic that you can use to learn this sort of thing, but then why on earth write down the precise method to use to end the universe? Why not simply say ‘this thing can end the universe if misused, DO NOT TOUCH, no I’m not telling anyone how to do it because I’m not an idiot’. Perhaps some Glory-worshipping scholar did it, only, as previously mentioned, Glory’s only been here for 25 years and the Key has been here for centuries, minimum. Perhaps some chaos-worshipping scholar did it but couldn’t exploit it because the right time and place only appears every thousand years or something, but that seems unlikely given that there was an alignment within 25 years of Glory’s birth and in the same country, heck, on the same *planet* as Glory. (We’re talking ‘whole universe scale’ here: alignments must be really common or you’d hardly ever see one in this galaxy!)

    But, then, Buffyverse plotting is never exactly ironclad. We go here for the emotional resonance, and does this arc *ever* have that.

    A slightly off-topic digression. If I could have reinvented this background story, I’d have had the Key be not magical but (meta)physical: when order was separated from chaos at the origin of all universes, the negative property of ‘total admixture of order and chaos’ had to go somewhere. That somewhere was the Key. This explains almost all the Key’s observed but unexplained-in-canon properties — its enormous age and unknown creator, its non-physical nature, the way it is ‘not exactly’ evil, the way it causes all dimensions to mix together when used (right down to the not-filmed instruction in the script that ‘holes seem to be opening in the sky’, implying that it affects all of space instantly as soon as it is used rather than just being restricted to its origin point) — while giving it a useful purpose and explaining why on earth anyone would construct such a thing in the first place. Hardly anything in the script contradicts this: only Glory and the General’s claim that she is older than the Key (explainable by Glory’s Cordeliaesque arrogance), and the fact that the Key’s operation can be reversed at all (explainable with sufficiently fast handwaving: maybe reality likes being separated into pieces because it’s been separated for so long, so the key needs to be active for a particular window of time before its effect sticks and whoops there goes reality).


  23. [Note: Janice posted this comment on November 5, 2012.]

    Nothing much to add beyond I totally agree about Glory’s monologues here, Mike – some of my favorites in the series – and I love your observation re: Normal Again and this episode. And I was also confused about Ben’s mental state here


  24. [Note: JEL posted this comment on December 23, 2012.]

    Silly to be replying so far after the fact, but I can’t resist. While I find those are very interesting interpretations of what Willow’s comment (“it’s not exactly well-explored territory”) about Buffy’s mind might mean, I’ve always interpreted that as Willow just saying Buffy is not very introspective. It seems consistent with other times that Willow mentions that Buffy is not exactly an intellectual heavyweight, e.g. in Chosen where Willow says: “You know, Buffy, sweet girl, not that bright.”


  25. [Note: JEL posted this comment on December 23, 2012.]

    With respect to the review itself, I’m surprised that no connection to “Fool for Love” is mentioned. Spike’s thesis in FfL is that every Slayer has a death wish. And when he says there that it’s “not only to stop the fear and uncertainty”, that implies that stopping the fear and uncertainty is part of it. (Just not all of it.) And here Buffy is succumbing, if not exactly a death wish, at least a moment of wanting to give up and end (in part) the fear and uncertainty of dealing with Glory.


  26. [Note: JEL posted this comment on December 31, 2012.]

    Well that will teach me to reply to something based on memory. I’m not sure how I could have misremembered the context of that line so badly. Having just watched the episode again, Sarah was right and I was completely wrong. It is obvious now that Willow is talking about entering someone’s mind being “not exactly well-explored territory, but … I gotta try.”Sorry about the inaccurate comment clutter.


  27. [Note: meh posted this comment on August 7, 2013.]

    The Doc really was a missed opportunity, as he seemed to have a really cool character and had the potential to be a recurring figure.


  28. [Note: Lydia posted this comment on September 18, 2014.]

    As the penultimate episode of the season, this episode is clearly supposed to rise the stakes, it did at the end of course, but I like that they tried to go down a different path for this one. It really hypes up the emotional blow that comes our way in “The Gift”. While I believe this episode could have been executed slightly better, it was a good effort and the meaning behind it was simply splendid. I love how, in a high paced season, they find time to devote entire episode’s to character growth. It is what creates interesting, authentic characters — something which I find a big issue with most of my television shows these days is that they spend little time on the characters, and way too much on the plot. Buffy is the utter opposite, and whilst better plots were always welcome, it seemed to succeed in the character resonance category.

    I absolutely adore Glory’s speech, it’s one of my favorite BTVS quotes, I think the actress did a splendid job with what she was given here, she truly seemed like a confused unearthly being desperate to figure out what makes the human race tick. I get chills everytime I hear her say it, or even when I read it.

    I liked Ben/Glory morphing as their personalities began bleeding into each other — very well done, especially that long scene in the alley when they were arguing with each other. And I enjoyed the continuing joke about no one remembering them being the same person (“Is everyone here very stoned?”) Poor Spike! And Willow standing up to aid in the face of danger (albeit with a little help from her magics) was so great to see because she has come such a long away. Of course, she has a longer way to go, but she went from that shy little school girl who was afraid of her own shadow into someone independent and powerful and unafraid to take charge. Clearly, she doesn’t work that bad under pressure anymore. Another bit I loved was Anya saying “Good Luck” very enthusiastically to Willow, and Spike casually picking a bag of blood at the hospital. I also agree that the Doc was a missed opportunity. Oh well, nothing is perfect. I’d give the episode an 8/10.


  29. [Note: Luvtennis posted this comment on October 6, 2014.]

    First, the ritual is about freeing the energy. Presumably there were different rituals for different forms of the key. Or the ritual was simply what was necessary to free energy from a human vessel, regardless of whether it was key energy or something else.

    Second, the anointing is probably just ceremonial. Glory herself says it is not necessary.

    Subtext for season 5. Powerful woman is looking for Dawn, a blood relative, to take back from the family that adopted her. This forces Buffy to abandon her hero’is journey and become normal so she can be a parent to Dawn. (Buffybot). Seasons 6 and 7 are about how she finally integrates the two….. 🙂


  30. [Note: Pamplemousse posted this comment on December 10, 2014.]

    I didn’t like seeing Willow in charge. Knowing how arrogant she’s been this season and what she will do in the next I hate that she saves the day, but that’s what makes this character so interesting. Also, Alyson Hannigan is perfect most of the time but that scene when she separates Spike and Xander and gets all authoritarian is embarrassing in my opinion, she isn’t intimidating at all.


  31. [Note: Vincent posted this comment on April 4, 2015.]

    Well, like a minority of people here, I prefered the 5×20.
    This one (the 21th) is kind of boring, all the time spent in Buffy’s head is like a waste of time. The Ben/Glory/Ben/Glory/Ben/Glory thingy gets annoying, because we don’t really care much about Ben, and Glory tends to get on my nerves. I love this season, it could be my favourite (I have never seen the 6th and 7th season for now), but this episod is pretty in my opinion.


  32. [Note: Pathbeyondthedark posted this comment on April 4, 2015.]

    BtVS often takes cliche devices to abnormal heights, but in this case, I too feel it mostly fell flat. I don’t think it did anything I haven’t seen before done just as well if not better using the “mind dive” device. When I can say “Supernatural” did better with it without a second thought, then I know I’m not all that impressed by it.


  33. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on April 4, 2015.]

    What “Supernatural” episode are you referring to, the one with Bobby in Season 3 or another one?


  34. [Note: Pathbeyondthedark posted this comment on April 4, 2015.]

    Yeah that one. “You’re gonna die Dean, and this, this what you’re gonna become!” That line alone along with the imagery, superb acting by Jensen on both sides of himself, etc. make it already more memorable. Especially considering what eventually transpires in the finale of season 9.

    But I suggest if you want to talk further about some great moments in SN, we move it to the topic in the forum.


  35. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on April 4, 2015.]

    Yah great moment. While it’s doubtful that that foreshadowing to that event was intentional it’s still fits in pretty nicely. Kinda like the Spike/Buffy unintentional love set up in School Hard.


  36. [Note: Lee posted this comment on July 17, 2015.]

    want to know.” Glory is right to an extent. Humans are often ruled by their emotions, often-times overly so. But as Buffy tells Kendra way back in “What’s My Line? Pt. 2” (2×10), “my emotions give me power. They’re total assets!” And Buffy was right.

    No, Buffy was wrong. I think humanity’s regard for its emotions is a bit too high and rather illusional. Real power is when you learn to rise above your emotions. But we humans are unwilling to do this . . . make the effort. It’s too hard and very unfamiliar.

    And Buffy’s catatonic state is more than about losing Dawn. It’s about being the Slayer. And frankly, I think allowing her role as the Slayer to rule her life was the biggest mistake that Buffy ever made.


  37. [Note: Noah posted this comment on July 17, 2015.]

    Being the Slayer meant being aware of the suffering of others. To ignore it would have been to consign those people to misery and death. That would make her no hero, and an abettor of the execrable state of this world. In other words, that would make her normal.

    Reason is inadequate.


  38. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on December 1, 2015.]

    I don’t think I approve of how this episode basically made Ben extremely guilty. It basically made any moral dilemma about killing him null and void since he basically was willing to let Dawn die. Then again I suppose he was a major dick in allowing all those guys in the hospital to die. I guess in that case they kind of messed up from pretty early on.

    In fact in general I’m kind of mixed on the whole Ben/Glory thing. When there were first hints of the connection between them i thought she might have been her brother which would have worked with the whole God thing. I guess in the end it was merely a means of being able to rid of Glory in a reasonable way.


  39. [Note: Boscalyn posted this comment on December 1, 2015.]

    Keep in mind that if Ben could have killed Glory any time he was on screen. In fact, I think he was the only person who could have killed Glory. Can’t blame him for not wanting to kill himself, though.


  40. [Note: Samm posted this comment on December 1, 2015.]

    Well you have to remember at this stage they are both feeling what the other is feeling due to the spell being compromised. Just like Glory was affected with some humanity, Ben would have gotten some nasty thoughts and emotions running through him.

    He also seemed like someone that wouldn’t sacrifice himself for another.


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