Buffy 4×08: Pangs

[Review by Mike Marinaro]

[Writer: Jane Espenson | Director: Michael Lange | Aired: 11/23/1999]

I’m going to be relatively quick with this review because, honestly, there’s not much to really say about it. The main plot is very uninteresting and Angel’s return is completely useless, but the episode is so damn funny that I genuinely don’t care. The sheer amount of quotes I had to have below is further proof of that. Buffy is absolutely adorable, focusing completely on trying to have a successful Thanksgiving dinner while Willow gets all defendy for the Native Americans, Xander gets some mystical syphillis, Anya continues to make me laugh, Giles is highly sarcastic, and Spike joins in on the fun while being tied to a chair. I’m sorry people, but sometimes I have to sit back, put my plot concerns aside, and just enjoy the characters interacting with each other using the trademark witty dialog of this series to its full extent.

The episode begins with Buffy displaying some progress with her ‘honing’ abilities that Giles said she should have way back in “Welcome to the Hellmouth” [1×01] . I really like how this scene is completely the opposite of the cliche. Instead of a scared boy running in the woods being surprised and killed by a vampire, it’s Buffy with a smile on her face who he sees. Yet in an even more amusing twist, it turns out that for the vampire it is a cliche after all! The vampire’s scared in the woods and the Slayer comes out and kills him. I bet that’s what sires tell their ‘offspring’ to spook them when they’re young. Very clever writing. It’s also worth noting that Buffy senses Angel in the area in this scene as well as two other times in the episode. It continues to show that the connection these two have will likely never fully go away.

There’s a few important things worth noting. One is Buffy’s hilarious obsession with having a nice Thanksgiving dinner in which Giles gets stuck with all the cleanup. Buffy is so much fun to watch all episode. She’s also cute, cozy, and very adorable. Another thread to note is Willow’s protest of Thanksgiving (“it’s about one culture slaughtering another”) and her reluctance to fight Hus, the avenging spirit. I can buy that Willow would be a little against the holiday, but I think she wanders into the realm of “out of character” when she still shows reluctance to killing Hus after she finds out he’s killing Xander with diseases and has killed a teacher and a priest.

The most important issue involves Spike’s entrance to the Scooby Gang as a tied-up prisoner. I love the scenes leading up to that, though, where he’s longingly looking in at groups of other vampires feeding on people. It’s kind of weird that I feel sorry that a vampire can’t kill anyone — Spike is quite the unique character! I also enjoyed seeing him so lonely that he’d even take Harmony’s company and that she’s wisened-up a tad and even has a stake under her pillow. Like I mentioned happened in “The Initiative” [4×07] , Spike’s subconcious love for Buffy is beginning to affect his decision-making process, and he doesn’t even know it yet. Why else we he choose to go to Buffy for a place to stay? He could have just found himself a crypt to hang out in for a while and then steal some blood at the butcher shop to keep himself running.

The final fight is amusing enough and it ends with a nifty little message from Giles: “Violence does that. Instinct takes over.” Willow also learns this little lesson and is able to enjoy the turkey dinner. The entire post-fight dinner is highly amusing and homely. Spike’s tied to a chair watching all of them have a feast (I’m so happy they let him sit there) and Xander lets loose that Angel was there. That mistake (“oops”) switches to a hilarious shot from Buffy’s perspective where the whole group is staring at her. Spike has this huge and highly entertained grin on his face. That pretty much sums up how I feel about the episode.

 


Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)

+ Anya’s back! Her dialog is a breath of entertaining air. She is so impressively hilarious.
+ Willow using the buried church the Master was stuck in as an analogy. More subtle continuity! Yay!
+ Willow talks about great spells with ears. Buffy says, “that’s one fun little habbit you got there Will.”
+ Willow and Xander both thinking Angel’s evil at first.
+ Spike repeatedly asking for a brandy.
+ Spike being filled with arrows.
+ The bicycle cavalry shot.
+ Spike being entertained watching Buffy fight.

– Hus gets an entire little speech in while he has Buffy pinned to the ground. Very cliche.


[Score]

85/100

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53 thoughts on “Buffy 4×08: Pangs”

  1. [Note: Vampkatt65 posted this comment on November 16, 2006.]

    I love this episode! Spike sitting full of arrows and wigging out about the bear is too funny. I liked Buffy in the midst of all the fighting still worried about fixing the perfect Thanksgiving dinner. She’s not aboout to serve a subpar meal even with the whole gang under attack, her Mom would be proud!

    One thing though, why did Spike not get fed?

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  2. [Note: Tranquillity posted this comment on February 11, 2007.]

    The important thing for this episode is that we see Buffy building her family! This team sitting down to thanksgiving dinner is the team that she takes into the final battle. This episode is so important in the structure of the entire series. The importance of Angel’s return is purely to show that he is outside Buffy’s world, looking in and is not really part of it anymore. This is contrasted to Spike who is outside, looking in to the world of vampires because of the chip.
    Cheers

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  3. [Note: jun posted this comment on May 20, 2007.]

    Y’know, I know Season 4 has the lame Initiative and the lame Adam, but… it also has insanely cute Buffy! I swear, she has never been more adorable than this season. Even /I/ am falling in love with her!

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  4. [Note: WorldWithoutShrimp posted this comment on July 18, 2007.]

    I just rewatched this the other day, and this is an absolutely hilarious episode. One thing that you didn’t mention in your review, mikejer, was that this is the first time (I think) we have any mention of what happened to Cordelia. That’s not really a problem with this episode, I just think they should have addressed that sooner. Now, in the age of DVDs, it would be possible for someone not to know that she moves on to Angel, and for this hypothetical person it would seem for the first third of the season like she just disappeared. It doesn’t matter too much, but I find it interesting.

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  5. [Note: Anne posted this comment on July 18, 2007.]

    When in the episode did Cordy get mentioned? I don’t remember and I’ve usually got this show memorized.

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  6. [Note: WorldWithoutShrimp posted this comment on July 19, 2007.]

    Willow asks Angel if Cordelia is really working for him. It’s in the scene at that coffee shop when Buffy is talking to Riley.

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  7. [Note: AeC posted this comment on September 29, 2007.]

    There’s also one incredibly subtle reference back to Band Candy. During the final fight (about 10 or 15 seconds into chapter 14 on the DVD), Buffy throws one of the Chumash, who lands and rolls next to Giles’ LP collection. The album on the outside has a picture of Seals and Crofts, whom Giles scoffs at when Joyce mentions them in the earlier ep.

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  8. [Note: buffyholic posted this comment on November 5, 2007.]

    This is hilarious. So many good things make this a very enjoyable episode, including Buffy´s obsession in having a perfect Thanksgiving, Spike tied in the chair, everyone thinking Angel is evil again and of course Anya. The humour is really amazing.

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  9. [Note: gabrielleabelle posted this comment on November 10, 2007.]

    I adore this episode. If I’m feeling in the mood for some “lite” fun, I watch this one. The plot’s not too important. Angel’s pretty useless. But there are so many absolutely classic moments. I’m glad to see you rated it highly as I usually don’t see it get much of a mention.

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  10. [Note: Tony posted this comment on July 5, 2008.]

    They mentioned Cordelia in the second episode I’m pretty sure, about how Buffy was acted Cordeliaesque or something like that. I always wanted her to come back for one more episode to visit. Too bad she didn’t.

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  11. [Note: bigmoneygrip posted this comment on October 30, 2008.]

    I think most of the reasons why I like this ep have been mentioned. One of the funniest episodes.

    Foreshadowing: Is the church Willow mentioned that was buried in the 30s the same church she unearthed as Dark Willow in Grave?

    There was this GREAT series in the 70s with Darren McGavin called Kolchak: The Night Stalker. One ep was about a vengeful indian (native american) spirit that could transform into animals. I don’t know the writer knew this, but I like the connection.

    Spike, Spike, Spike. You are one of my favorite TV charcters. James Marsters is perfect. God, didn’t you feel sorry for him, huddled in a blanket, avoiding the Initiative? I really, really, have to remember the previous eps when he was really a nasty killer he was. I guess I’m too much of a sucker for the character that I only remember him in the scene where he convinced Buffy that he wanted to save the world for Manchester United. No matter. It appears Spike that I love is here – so I’ll buckle up and enjoy the ride.

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  12. [Note: Sam posted this comment on March 13, 2009.]

    Mike, I love ya but I gotta ask: Why did this episode get a B , based on your assertion in “Him” that episodes that are very funny but are otherwise irrelevant usually get a B or B- from you? Furthermore, why does this B episode complete your Top 25 when other humor-based episodes that you give an A to like “Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered”, “Crush”, and (I’m assuming, because how could it not) “Storyteller” are not on there?
    I’m not pointing fingers… I’m just wondering.

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  13. [Note: Sam posted this comment on March 13, 2009.]

    Well, while we’re on the subject of how funny this episode is, how about when Xander tells Anya to leave because she might catch all the diseases he has, and she just responds, perfectly, “We’ll die together. It’s romantic!” LOL

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  14. [Note: MikeJer posted this comment on March 13, 2009.]

    Sam, the answer to your question is that this is my favorite comedy episode in the series, so it gets an an unnatural little boost. Being as objective as I can, I realize that it has its flaws, which is why I didn’t give it an A-range grade. But that aside, it gets more than “Him” because I actually find it overall more consistently funny, and I love how the comedy plays from the characters’ personalities. There’s a warm, homely, and cozy feeling it. In all honesty, it’s hard to quantify. “Personal favorite.” Just leave it at that I suppose. 🙂

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  15. [Note: Till posted this comment on April 6, 2009.]

    Willow breaks hugely out of character and gets wedged into the role of some kind of annoying half-baked caricature.

    Really, all the dialogue (from Buffy and Giles) related to Willow’s implausibly absurd overreaction is unconvincing and not terribly well-written. It detracts from an otherwise enjoyable episode.

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  16. [Note: Stilicho posted this comment on June 3, 2009.]

    Just a hint… The crossover episode of Angel (1×08 “I will remember you”) that takes place after “Pangs” with Buffy visiting Angel in L.A. is really worth watching!

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  17. [Note: Nix posted this comment on July 11, 2009.]

    Something I just noticed. Spike’s accent is normal at all times throughout this episode… except when Giles mentions brandy, when Spike suddenly says ‘I wouldn’t say no to a brandy’ in cut-crystal (or at least a much more upper-class accent than normal for him).

    I don’t know if they actually had Spike’s origin story worked out at this point, but it’s nice to think that the mention of brandy might have pushed a bit of William out from behind the curtain.

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  18. [Note: Susan posted this comment on September 18, 2009.]

    You didn’t mention the comment that Spike made when Anya and Willow were getting ready to check on the dean. Xander was lying on the couch, feeling sick and not planning to go with them when Spike said: “Oh, leave that one. He looks like he’s going to drop any minute and I think I can eat someone if he’s already dead.” This is one of my favorite episodes for the reasons you all have mentioned already. I actually like the previous episode (The Initiative) and the next one (Something Blue) very much as well, probably because Spike’s character really begins to develop and any episodes without him become less interesting to me. Incidentally, Joss Whedon lists this episode as #8 on his list of favorite Buffy episodes written by other writers. I am a new Buffy fan, having just discovered this great show in the last few months and have watched most episodes at least twice and some many more times. So glad that there are still active sites to turn to.

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  19. [Note: KatieJ posted this comment on December 5, 2009.]

    Giles: Let’s give him land!

    Buffy: Sarcasm helps nothing!

    Giles: It’s sort of an end in itself.

    indeed.

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  20. [Note: G1000 posted this comment on May 21, 2010.]

    Didn’t like this one that much. It was pretty funny, but not nearly as good as a lot of people seem to think. Spike and Anya were great, though. I much preferred “Fear, Itself” in terms of laughs-per-minute (Giles with a chainsaw: cracks me up every time).

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  21. [Note: Victoria posted this comment on May 31, 2010.]

    I love how Spike and Andrew both have to spend their respective times as tied hostages within the Scooby Circle before being tentatively let in. I’m sure Andrew would love the shared likeness in their harrowing tales. 😛

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  22. [Note: yippers6 posted this comment on July 10, 2010.]

    this is another favorite of mine but i only liked the last part really but where is her mom thanksgiving is a family thing

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  23. [Note: nathan.taurus posted this comment on September 2, 2010.]

    I like the speech Spike gives about the truth of battles and that Giles agrees with Spike in this matter.

    Spike tied to the chair with the arrows in him always gets a laugh.

    Bad:

    The injuries Buffy had during the battle disappear at the end of the episode.

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  24. [Note: dr. horrible posted this comment on September 10, 2010.]

    Did anyone else notice how racist this episode was? Hus’s whole speech was so stereotypical (plus there was that cheesy flute music). This was a funny episode but it bugged me. It seemed more like a season 1 episode: ridiculous plot but funny dialog and the whole gang fighting together.

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  25. [Note: John Roberts posted this comment on October 24, 2010.]

    The Good –

    The baddies were hilarously stupid.

    Spike on the outside looking in.

    Angel on the outside looking in.

    Spike in the fight.

    The “cavalry” coming to the rescue on bikes.

    Anya cracks me up.

    This was a very funny episode.

    The Bad –

    The baddies were often nonhilariously stupid.

    The Native Americans got screwed theme was cringeworthy.

    Willow is becoming a complete idiot.

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  26. [Note: John Roberts posted this comment on October 24, 2010.]

    This episode felt like an inflection point.

    Buffy running the Thanksgiving dinner was of course an open signal that she is now her own master. All those past authority figures are gone. Dad. Mom. The Watcher. The Council. The Principal. Angel.

    That other battle of the high school years, has also been resolved: Buffy is The Slayer. She knows and deals. No agonizing.

    Finally, Buffy has been desexualized. No more lusting after the virgin, as the camera and script did during the high school years. This time, when Angel stalks her, there are no more shots of Buffy alone in the bedroom or bathroom, trying on a dress. Now it’s all business — she’s walking through an occupied house, and Angel isn’t dreaming about her, he’s matter-of-factly watching her safety. The camera lingers now on Xander instead.

    The coming-of-age story feels complete. Not that Buffy won’t have tribulations and growth and love and disappointment in the future. But she’s of age. These will be adult issues.

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  27. [Note: John posted this comment on January 4, 2011.]

    Just rewatched this, and I have to say Willow does some pretty ominous foreshadowing here:

    “Don’t you wonder what else is just buried under our feet?”

    This seems to be at least possibly a pretty interesting reference to Willow’s eventual unearthing of the evil temple in the finale of S6.

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  28. [Note: deadlego posted this comment on May 4, 2011.]

    @John-#29

    I think that it is definate forshadowing of S6 finale, I noticed that.

    This episode has my favourite line of the whole series…

    BUFFY:”I like my evil how I like my men…Evil!”

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  29. [Note: Nix posted this comment on July 1, 2011.]

    I don’t think that’s foreshadowing of anything. This is Sunnydale. *Everything* is buried under your feet, from sewers filled with monsters and ancient buried churches and missions right up to a portal to hell. Pretty much every character comments on this at one time or another.

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  30. [Note: smallprint84 posted this comment on August 2, 2011.]

    Buffy is also so cute wearing that black cowboy hat.

    Funny: the “good girl” wearing a black hat instead of stereotype white.

    Also great quote:

    ANYA: Soon he’ll be sweating. I’m imagining having sex with him again.

    BUFFY: Imaginary Xander is quite the machine.

    Hilarious!!

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  31. [Note: Mash posted this comment on August 8, 2011.]

    A point that has little importance of any kind: Buffy in this episode seems to be able to cook perfectly fine, but come S6 & 7 when she is a “parent” [ugh] to Dawn she seems to lack in that department completely.

    Agreed, Angel feels useless here [perhaps Adam was the threat the entire time and had Angel been there the core 4 wouldnt have needed that spell?].

    Oh Spike, you slay me.

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  32. [Note: Mash posted this comment on August 9, 2011.]

    To John Roberts who wrote, “Finally, Buffy has been desexualized. No more lusting after the virgin, as the camera and script did during the high school years. This time, when Angel stalks her, there are no more shots of Buffy alone in the bedroom or bathroom, trying on a dress. Now it’s all business — she’s walking through an occupied house, and Angel isn’t dreaming about her, he’s matter-of-factly watching her safety. The camera lingers now on Xander instead. ”

    I have a few thoughts on this;

    For one thing, strictly physical – the first 2 and part of the 3rd season of Buffy, SMG has some “baby fat” or generally a little more weight on her. This weight [which for the record I preferred] gave her a more sexual body to focus this desexualization you mention. Later when SMG got insanely skinny, it was hard enough to make her believably strong let alone so lusty [not to say that SMG isnt extremely cute/pretty/ attractive].

    Second, as a show, I think come 3rd season and definitely 4th, the show felt secure in its fan base. It had a core group of watchers [hahaha] and thus did not fall sway to random viewers who just want to see a random hot chick with cleavage. I think shows that are not as secure [except charmed, ugh] dress the ladies scantily to attract viewers.

    And lastly, Angel at first would feel lust towards Buffy but with time it became love. Not that he didnt feel lust towards her, he just also feels so much more than that especially now that he is away and just plain misses her.

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  33. [Note: Louisa posted this comment on October 20, 2012.]

    My favorite line: Spike had a little trip to the vet and now he doesn’t chase the other puppies anymore. Second favorite: I think mine is the level head and yours is the one things would roll off of.

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  34. [Note: sigmuphi posted this comment on February 24, 2013.]

    Okay, it’s almost four years since Ida asked the question — but yes, I had exactly the same thought watching this episode: Professor Gerhardt reminds me a lot of Jenny Calendar.

    A shame she got killed off so quickly. We don’t really see Buffy or the other characters developing positive mentor relationships, except Giles of course, and briefly Miss Calendar for Willow. Prof. Walsh had a touch of that, plus some interesting complexity that got cut short. The only other one I can think is Dr. Gregory way back in Teacher’s Pet. And maybe his obscurity shows just how rare that kind of relationship is on the show.

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  35. [Note: Josh Man posted this comment on September 7, 2013.]

    This is the first time I’ve completely disagreed with a review. This is on my list of worst episodes. I seem to be in the minority, but no matter how good the humor in this episode is, the plot is horrid, and I really don’t understand why Angel needed to be there, other than to set up Buffy being in the fantastic Angel episode that followed anyway.

    And I don’t buy Willow still believing the vengeance spirit wasn’t evil when she realized Xander might die. Even admitting there was legitimacy to the anger on behalf of the people, and the wrong the colonists has done, seeing its indescriminate killing and having Xander be in danger should have clued Willow in to the fact this thing was evil.

    Out of character moments and ridiculous plots can’t be saved, in my opinion, by good jokes

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  36. [Note: James posted this comment on January 28, 2014.]

    I just have to mention that the absurdly dramatic music for the bicycle cavalry ride was just perfectly chosen. That was by far my favorite moment of the episode.

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  37. [Note: T.G. posted this comment on April 13, 2014.]

    I don’t think this is the funniest episode in BTVS.(to me its “doppelgangland”)

    “Pangs” is very funny in some places, but I found some of the humor to be forced on willow’s side and to be annoying on xander’s side. First of all, for someone as moppy as willow was in the last episode, her focus was shifted to a whole new subject to obsess about. I could just pass it as “willow is too hurt to talk about it” except I can’t because shes all moppy again in the next episode. Its like this episode just forgot about oz’s leaving.

    Then there is xander’s mystical syphilis. We all have a different sense of humor, but I found it to be annoying, rather than funny. His and anya’s reactions were funny, but the idea itself(mystical syphilis) irritated me.

    one last thing, In your season 2 reviews, you mentioned that Joyce was a mediocre mom( something I agree with) but this episode to me, is another example of what not to do when your a parent. I get joyce maybe leaving town for thanksgiving, but to leave her daughter!? If I had a daughter, and I thought I would be leaving her alone for thanksgiving(which is a family holiday joyce, your daughter qualifies as family) id stay with her! I found what joyce did in this episode to be totally uncalled for. No wonder buffy is all obsessive! 😦 If she can’t have a family dinner with her mom, then she is going to try to have a family dinner with the scoobies!

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  38. [Note: Nebula Nox posted this comment on May 20, 2014.]

    This episode is amusing, but there is also a theme, which is highlighted in Buffy’s conversation with the vampire who she stakes in the teaser. He says: “Why don’t you come back where you came from?” This looks like a throwaway line, but actually applies to many of the characters and their situations. It turns out that many of them would like to go back – but they can’t.

    First, there’s Angel who is lurking in the shadows. He’s trying to have his cake and to eat it too – be near to Buffy without disturbing her. He wants to go back but cannot, because their relationship is not the same.

    Second, there’s Spike. He wants to be a “normal” vampire and bite people, but he cannot go back.

    Third, there’s Buffy. She even talks about sense memory – the memories that come out when she smells a roasting turkey – and strives to recreate this at Giles’s place. Of course it is not the same.

    Fourth, there is the spirit of the Chumash. They want to take over the land again, but they hardly can – they are “only” dead spirits.

    Fifth, there is Willow, who wants the world to return to the time when the Europeans had not abused the Native Americans. Of course, this is impractical and when she realizes that this means their deaths, she changes her situation.

    All of these characters suffer pangs – sharp attacks of mental anguish – as they long for a past that is over, and even attempt to return to it. (And Spike suffers a few physical pangs as he is struck by arrows.) They all move forward as they learn to accept their current realities.

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  39. [Note: Nebula Nox posted this comment on May 21, 2014.]

    Thank you! And yet I made some mistakes in my comment.

    The vampire at the beginning says: “Why don’t you go back where you came from?”

    And the last word in the paragraph about Willow should have been “attitude.”

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  40. [Note: FlyingPenguin posted this comment on June 9, 2014.]

    I don’t necessarily think Willow was out of character here. I didn’t understand her to be questioning whether or not the vengeful spirit was evil or needed to be stopped from harming people; I just saw her as sympathizing with its motives, and wanting to find a solution that did something other than merely continue/recapitulate the same violent cycle. Sure, she got a bit stuck on this point…but not unbelievably so, to me. And for her to be the member of the group to adopt this perspective was both explained with the references to her mother and also felt right in general. No complaints here.

    This is another episode that is better that I usually remember it as being. The Indian Spirit plot does little for me (and I’m usually the last one to complain about this sort of thing; 99% of the time I’m perfectly okay with plots that, in themselves, aren’t anything special, as long as the episode does something else worthwhile; here, though, it does bug me a bit), and I agree with everyone else that Angel’s involvement was pointless & a waste. (In general, I liked Angel while he was on the show but tend to find his occasional appearances in season 4 and beyond disappointing at best–and in my opinion, this one is not made any more tolerable by the ensuing Buffy appearance on Angel, which–despite its popularity–I’ve always had huge problems with!) But apart from those two complaints, it’s really quite an entertaining episode, and I really relate to Buffy’s emotional state (and what she says about Thanksgiving and “sense memory.” Despite her “perfect Thanksgiving dinner” obsession, she comes across as the most level-headed member of the group here…

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  41. [Note: Lydia posted this comment on June 14, 2014.]

    I absolutely love this episode, its one of those hilarious Buffy classics. And Spike’s forced involvement into the Scoobie gang starts from here on out, every episode improves when there’s Spike in it. As for Willow, I agree that she was a tad overly obsessive, but it’s very much believable considering her vehement emotions at this stage in her development, to add to it, for once she got to focus on something that was not related to Oz, this is a phase that many girls go through after a bad break-up. To get Oz off her mind, she latches onto something else completely unrelated to go on about, a lot of it makes sense. Add to that her origins and the way she talks about Thanksgiving at the start of the episode, (her obvious dislike for the holiday) its understandable, at least, to me.

    Buffy is so god damn adorable, and I love me some sarcastic Giles! Xander is freaking out about his syphilis and Anya’s doing her level best to make him feel better but failing majorly, I just enjoyed the character interaction this episode provided us with. It makes me feel like no, we haven’t completely lost the Scooby gang yet, they’re all together again, just like the old times. It’s interesting that as someone mentioned above, everyone sitting at the table in “Pangs” ends up charging into the final battle in “Chosen” with Buffy and that Angel is now officially an outsider in Buffy’s life. Great foreshadowing and symbolism. I also agree that Angel’s return was fairly useless, I think his stalking Buffy and telling her friends about it but forcing them to lie to her is awfully unfair and selfish. However, I am willing to forgive this because of the really wonderful AtS episode, “I will Remember You.” that we get after this.

    The quotes section really is on fire! For me, no matter how many great monologues and dialogues Spike gets, I’ll always love this one the most.
    “A bear! You made a bear!” “I didn’t mean to!” “Undo it! Undo it!” I thought I’d bust a gut laughing at that one. I love how BtVS (unlike other TV shows) portrays the harsh truth of Thanksgiving. I will always remember it now as “a ritual sacrifice of an animal to celebrate the slaughter of indigenous people” Thank you, Anya. I was also glad Cordy was mentioned in this episode, I really miss her on here, especially since I haven’t gotten round to rewatching Angel yet (my emotions are not ready.)

    I know a lot of people seem to have a problem with this one; but I just can’t get enough of it. I liked this episode so much. I sat through it this time with a huge grin on my face for the majority of it. It was very nice to have the gang back together again fighting a common foe. And there was loads of great dialogue. I loved the running bit about everyone thinking Angel was evil again.
    And these subtle Riley/Buffy moments that soon build-up to their relationship are also fun, light-hearted and nice to watch. I really enjoyed a de-fanged Spike, and I love all these bits with him tied to a chair. Pure comedy gold. Another winner for sure. The next one is even better, “Something Blue!”

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  42. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on December 22, 2015.]

    Was watching some snippets of this and I got a good chuckle out of a mention of a Father Gabriel.

    Also is there any form of media where someone talking about the rights of others and “white guilt” doesn’t come across as annoying. I mean we like Martin Luther King and stuff but very few people championing for rights ever come across as not-annoying. It’s like they are so annoying that we have to give into their demands (which is basically a key part of how tolerance is made). You can kind of understand why they cut the SPEW plot out of the Harry Potter books cause that wasn’t fun nor that interesting looking back.

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  43. [Note: Luvtennis posted this comment on May 28, 2016.]

    I don’t think that people demanding the right to be treated as humans by a nation that has a constitution like ours is annoying.

    I think Joss is evolved enough to know that people would find Willow annoying in this episode. I also think the irony created thereby is the whole point.

    So you think it is annoying when someone is obsessed over the genocide of an indigenous peoples… What does that say about your moral character. And neither Giles nor Spike is even remotely trustworthy in this episode as a moral guide. Spike is Evil, and Giles,
    demonstrates where his sympathies lie when he refers to Americans as bloody colonials. One of the messages of this season is that ends do NOT justify the means. What we did to the Native American tribes inhabiting this continent was evil and hypocritical whatever our justification . Ditto, the Initiative. Ditto Giles and his greater good stuff.

    I think that this season is also starting the address the disease of masculinity in our culture. “Adam?” Duh!

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  44. [Note: R.A. posted this comment on June 16, 2016.]

    I hate how many people call this episode racist (as well as the whole show).

    The characters represent the different sides of the Native American genocide. Giles and Spike represents Britain in their demands that Buffy simply kills the spirit. They will do anything in pursuit of their own interests, even if it involves killing the vengeful spirit. The things that Spike says do not represent the lesson of the episode.

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  45. [Note: Toove posted this comment on June 16, 2016.]

    You will propably never see this comment 🙂 :
    The thing about the syphilis is that it is actually one of the diseases that the Americans gave to the Europeans, propably already the crew of Columbus – who raped their way through the islands they visited. There has been a lot of controversy about where it came from originally.

    The Americans died of the measles and the common flu and cold, not having any innate protection against it. There are still two places on earth with people who will die if they come in contact with others because of precisely these diseases: The interior of Amazon and Sentinel island.

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