Buffy 3×07: Revelations

[Review by Mike Marinaro]

[Writer: Douglas Petrie | Director: James A. Contner | Aired: 11/17/1998]

This is the best episode of the season so far! My only complaints, which I’ll get out of the way right away, are that the pace is a tad too slow until the end and that, even though she puts a lot of effort into gaining everyone’s trust, Gwen Post’s true motives still don’t come as much of a surprise. Giles should have contacted the Watcher’s Council for confirmation. Aside from these relatively small complaints, though, this is top-notch entertainment. We get a ton of character development, interesting dialog, and great special effects.

Putting aside Giles’ lack of insight in calling the Watcher’s Council, I like Gwen Post’s character and her influence on everyone, especially Giles and Faith. Giles feels a bit threatened by her, mainly because she’s implying he’s gotten too close to his Slayer. This is something that will come up again in “Helpless” [3×12] .

Faith says you can’t trust guys, which echos her feelings in “Beauty and the Beasts” [3×04] . In large part due to Gwen’s betrayal of her later in the episode, Faith decides that now she can’t trust anyone. This turns out to be incredibly important to her development. Gwen is the first piece that begins to put Faith on the dark path. She doesn’t trust anyone fully anymore saying “I’m on my side, and that’s enough.” Buffy correctly responds, “not always,” but Faith doesn’t give in.

The other big event happening here involves Xander and his reaction to seeing Angel back and kissing Buffy again. This is obviously very surprising to him and his reaction is suitably worried. This leads to the fantastic ‘intervention’ scene with Buffy and the gang which is very well acted. I was excited to see Buffy bringing up Xander’s jealousy problem as a motivating factor for his behavior. Xander is harsh, but not completely wrong, when he reminds Buffy that she didn’t stop Angel from murdering Jenny Calendar in time.

The ‘intervention’ scene directly spills into the powerful scene where Giles explains to Buffy that she has no respect for the job he performs because she didn’t come to him about Angel immediately. Giles is completely correct here, and Buffy genuinely learns from her mistake. In the future we see Buffy telling Giles her secrets a whole lot sooner and trusting that he will help her through her difficulties instead of judging her.

Gwen Post spends a ton of time in getting not only the Scoobies, but especially Faith, to trust her. This leads to Faith jumping to conclusions when Xander spills the beans on Angel’s return. Faith wants to kill Angel and it makes complete sense that Xander wants in on the opportunity. This is even more evidence that Xander lied to Buffy in “Becoming Pt. 2” [2×22] because he didn’t want Angel resouled. To Xander’s credit, though, he knew Angel didn’t hurt Giles and ‘attempted’ to talk Faith out of rushing out blindly based on wrong assumptions to kill Angel.

I really appreciated the dialog between Buffy and Willow on secrets. Buffy admits that keeping her secret was extremely uncomfortable and didn’t make what her and Angel were doing any sexier. She also reveals that she feels much better now that it’s out in the open.

The special effects for the glove were fantastic. I don’t love this show because of the action and effects, but when I see something that was really well done, I feel the need to point it out. The ending fight and Gwen’s death scene were also incredibly exciting to watch. So all in all, this is a near perfect episode which manages to put the characters’ motivations for the rest of the season in motion.

 


Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)

+ Buffy’s ‘bomb’ hat is very girlish.
+ Doing excercises with and “almost kissing” Angel.
+ How Willow isn’t mad at Buffy for keeping the Angel secret because she’s also keeping a secret.
+ Continue to love Faith’s ambiguous “I’m five by five” statement.


Foreshadowing

* This is the first time Buffy and Faith actually fight each other over Angel. The second time is in “Graduation Day Pt. 1” [3×21] when Faith shoots Angel with an arrow covered with a mystical poison and Buffy needs her blood to cure him.


[Score]

95/100

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66 thoughts on “Buffy 3×07: Revelations”

  1. [Note: Austin posted this comment on August 23, 2007.]

    Grr, What was Faith going to say at the end?!?!

    I think it’s interesting to note that when Gwen (intentionally) told Faith that she wasn’t part of the intervention, This is when Faith first realizes that she can’t trust her new friends or at least that they don’t trust her. this might be why she chooses not to tell Buffy what ever it was she was thinking of at the end. I think this is the first tiny step down the dark path she follows in this season, and it is only exacerbated by Gwen’s betrayal, the only person that hadn’t let her down yet.

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  2. [Note: Soph posted this comment on October 14, 2007.]

    i really like this episode but i do feel a bit sorry for buffy after xander was really out of order sharing his concerns the way he did and it is still really obvious he is jealous of buffy and angels relationship.

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  3. [Note: buffyholic posted this comment on October 23, 2007.]

    I´m not a big fan of this episode, mainly because of Gwendoyln Post and Xander. I really don´t like her, she bugs me a lot and well, I want to hit Xander on this one. I know he has a point in being worried but he took it a little too far and Buffy is also right in pointing out that he´s jealous. The intervention scene is very well acted but hard for me to watch because of Xander. I still love the interactions between Buffy and Faith and love the ending fight scene.

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  4. [Note: Harfang posted this comment on September 9, 2008.]

    I like the episode. It may not be the best ever, but it has a lot of good scenes and the character interaction is very well handled and coherent. And even though I hate Xander every time he hurts Buffy and/or Angel, it also is very consistent: he’s always hated the guy. And Xander is the most human of the Scoobies, the one with the most flaws: this is also what makes him so heroic when he manages to overcome them. Which he does, even though his attempt at exculpating Angel is a lost cause.
    Besides, you have to admit he’s got guts, to antagonize a 200-year old vampire who just recently spread chaos across the city! And Angel WILL get his revenge by punching him for no reason in Enemies (yes, Mr Billowy Coat King of Pain can be petty too, thank you very much.)

    As for Giles failing to check Gwen Post’s credits, I guess at this stage he simply trusts that anything having to do with the Council can only be good. Post’s betrayal, followed by the Council’s lame defence, may be one of the first things that shakes his confidence in them -just a thought.

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  5. [Note: Rekidk posted this comment on November 17, 2008.]

    In the scene following the intervention, I feel like Giles is trying to be purposely hard on Buffy in order to distance himself and be a ‘better’ Watcher – an attitude sparked by Gwen Post’s arrival. I think that he actually does understand what Buffy was going through, but he doesn’t want to admit it to himself because it would mean that he was being more of a friend (and less of a mentor) to his Slayer.

    In other words – I don’t think Giles would have been as harsh on Buffy if Post hadn’t ever showed up.

    (Just my opinion – thought this was a very interesting episode in terms of the motivations of the characters. Extremely strong characterization with surprisingly complex motivations.)

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  6. [Note: Emily posted this comment on March 17, 2009.]

    Honestly, Mike, I don’t think you can say “To Xander’s credit, he “attempted” to talk Faith out of…” Xander doesn’t get any credit for that because he should’ve tried harder. And he didn’t. He never does when it comes to Angel, and there’s no way anyone could give him “credit.”
    Also, I don’t think he was actually ever “worried.” I’m assuming that after Buffy told Giles and Willow that Angel had gotten his soul back, Willow told Xander (I highly doubt Buffy would’ve told him, because I highly doubt that Xander and Buffy ever had deep conversations about Angel). So he knew that Angel had his soul back. He was just jealous, like he always was, and always will be. He’s ruled by his emotions, and he hates Angel so much that there’s no way he was “worried.”
    Rekidk, I totally agree with you. Giles definitely understood what was going on with Buffy, and he knows that you have to keep secrets. He never told her about his past until “The Dark Age.” Post is a b****.

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  7. [Note: Michael posted this comment on May 17, 2009.]

    5 by 5 is a term taken from the military. In the military it is a description of the quality of a radio broadcast. It measures two scales: signal strength and signal clarity on a 5 point scale. So, if you asked someone how they copied your broadcast and they replied, “You’re five by five.”, it would mean that you are LOUD and CLEAR.

    It has beena adpated into modern slang to mean perfect, a-ok, etc. So, when Faith responds, I’m five by five, that’s what she means. Not so ambiguous.

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  8. [Note: Nix posted this comment on June 4, 2009.]

    The question to ask is, was ‘five by five’ adapted into modern slang before or after BtVS used it? _Buffy_ has been extremely influential as TV programmes go, language-wise: so much so that multiple linguistics textbooks have been published on Buffy alone.

    Equally it could come from somewhere else. Wikipedia, that fount of halfbaked knowledge and useless facts, informs me that it’s also a term of art in basketball.

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  9. [Note: Rosie posted this comment on June 24, 2009.]

    “The other big event happening here involves Xander and his reaction to seeing Angel back and kissing Buffy again. This is obviously very surprising to him and his reaction is suitably worried. This leads to the fantastic ‘intervention’ scene with Buffy and the gang which is very well acted. I was excited to see Buffy bringing up Xander’s jealousy problem as a motivating factor for his behavior. Xander is harsh, but not completely wrong, when he reminds Buffy that she didn’t stop Angel from murdering Jenny Calendar in time.”

    I can understand Xander and the others being angry at Buffy for lying about Angel’s return. But this scene also underlined a problem I have always had with Buffy’s relationship with the Scoobies. I’ve always had this gut feeling that the Scoobies – Willow, Giles and especially Xander – have a tendency to put Buffy on a pedestal due to her being “The Slayer”. It seemed as if they demanded that she live to their ideal of what she was, instead of allowing her to be who she was. It almost seemed as if she was some kind of tool or symbol that they could not let go . . . or free.

    There are times when I wish Buffy’s relationship with them had remained slightly distant after Season 7. There are times when I believe that her relationship with the Scoobies was unhealthy for Buffy, because they did not allow her to be herself.

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  10. [Note: Selene posted this comment on August 23, 2009.]

    Had some issues with this episode. I could kinda see where Xander was coming from; after all, Buffy’s feelings for Angel kept her from killing him and preventing Jenny and Theresa’s and who knows how many other’s murders at Angelus’ hand. So he really was right when he said he didn’t need an excuse, lots of dead people actually constitutes a reason. So you can’t fault Xander for being ruled by his emotions unless you’re willing to fault Buffy for being ruled by hers.

    Another thing that definitely didn’t ring true and seemed very OOC to me was Willow whining about doing the research for Giles. I mean, this is the girl who was like “Oh, goody. Research party!” just a few months ago. She’s always been willing to stick it out as long as necessary to get the research done. So why this once is it a problem?

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  11. [Note: Sunburn posted this comment on September 30, 2009.]

    “So he really was right when he said he didn’t need an excuse, lots of dead people actually constitutes a reason. So you can’t fault Xander for being ruled by his emotions unless you’re willing to fault Buffy for being ruled by hers. ”

    Hmmm. My problem with Xander is not that he’s wrong, it’s that he’s so viciously no-holds-barred in his criticisms. In Dead Man’s Party, as in this episode, he has absolutely no compunction about ripping into Buffy in the most public and hurtful ways he can think of – regardless of the fact, for instance, that Giles is right there when he reminds Buffy about Jenny Calendar’s death.

    Having said that, I tried to think of why this was worse than Buffy being ruled by her emotions, and failed. 🙂 I suppose at least Buffy makes her mistakes out of positive emotions (love, loyalty, etc) while his are borne of jealousy, but then again her risk-taking endangers people’s lives, so I think I have to concede this point to you, Selene.

    Also, Harfang pointed out something that I’d never registered – that Xander IS the most human of the Scoobies, so of course he looks bad compared to the saintly, super-cute, super-intelligent Willow and the noble, super-cute, super-strong Buffy. Makes perfect sense, and I shall try and stop disliking Xander quite as much during his self-righteous outbursts.

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  12. [Note: Victoria posted this comment on November 7, 2009.]

    I always took the Faith’s 5 by 5 statement to mean that she’s “square” or “even and okay” because a square would technically be even on all sides and there fore 5×5. Does that make sense?

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  13. [Note: Max posted this comment on March 23, 2010.]

    5 by 5 as Michael pointed out a military term for “loud and clear” with reference to radio transmissions. Means a-ok. It’s slang in parts of the UK with rich military history. I would assume the same applies in USA.

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  14. [Note: Dani posted this comment on April 13, 2010.]

    I side with Xander in this ep…but that’s probably just because I’m not a fan of the Buffy/Angel coupling…not liking that this is happening again in the Season 8 comics either!

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  15. [Note: Nix posted this comment on May 13, 2010.]

    Foreshadowing and a half from Faith: “No offence, lady, I just have this problem with authority figures; they end up kinda dead.”

    Every single authority figure she’s associated with and doesn’t rebel against is dead by the end of the season (that would be Gwen Post, the target of the statement here, and the Mayor). I haven’t seen Angel so don’t know if the pattern holds true there too.

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  16. [Note: fray-adjacent posted this comment on May 24, 2010.]

    I agree with [b]Harfang[/b] and [b]Selene’s[/b] takes on Xander. He is cruel to Buffy, but I completely agree with the content of his argument, and being a little harsh on your friend is better than lots of people dying! At this point Xander and the rest of the Scoobies have little reason to believe that Angel is trustworthy.

    [b]Rekidk’s[/b] comment on why Giles was hard on Buffy for not telling him about Angel being back is interesting: perhaps he was trying to distance himself and act more the “professional” Watcher. At the same time, his reaction seemed right on: Angelus DID kill his girlfriend and torture him for hours. Even if Angel is not the same person, that’s not something you should just be expected to get over in a few months’ time. Even so, we see Giles showing that, intellectually, he understands that Angel is on their side; he tells Gwendolyn that “Buffy’s friend” is keeping the glove safe.

    I think that Gwendolyn so thoroughly undermines Giles’s confidence at the beginning of the episode that he doesn’t even think to question her and check with the Watcher’s Council; that may have even been part of her intent when she ridiculed him.

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  17. [Note: nathan.taurus posted this comment on August 19, 2010.]

    fray-adjacent: good point about Gwendolyn to Giles.

    The Good:

    The “best of Buffy’s bestest buds” at the Bronze. Buffy’s arrival and Faith and her together.

    Synchronised slaying. Giles’ dumbfounded look at Gwen when she introduces herself.

    Buffy mocking Giles in front of Gwendolyn.

    Gwendolyn condescending Giles at his place about the pretty pictures.

    The fantastic Buffy intervention scene. Again, Xander and Cordelia are the only smart ones to stand up.

    Giles’ speech to Buffy about her not respecting him.

    Willow’s look as Buffy kicks the demon in the crotch.

    Giles knocked unconcious yet again.

    The Bad:

    Gwendolyn somehow broke a thick shovel over her thigh. She doesn’t need the glove.

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  18. [Note: Elizabeth posted this comment on May 26, 2011.]

    Xander may be right, but he’s still an ASSHOLE!! I never stopped hating him after this and DMP. He is seriously the most immature and petty character on the show. I want to put Angel punching his lights out in Enemies on replay.

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  19. [Note: nk posted this comment on July 24, 2011.]

    @Selene

    I think the reason Willow is uncharacteristically reluctant to do the research is because Giles, angered by Post’s criticisms, has sucked all the fun out of it by acting like a bossy jerk and working them much harder than usual.

    @Rosie

    I’ve seen you write similar comments on other episodes about the Scoobies having unfair and unrealistic expectations of Buffy, and to some extent I agree with you. Something that always bothers me, especially in Season 3 where there are a lot of episodes featuring conflicts with authority and Buffy isn’t quite yet old enough to start asserting herself more, is that we can see people like Giles and Joyce are as flawed and emotionally driven at times as Buffy is, yet they still think they’re entitled to claim the moral high ground over her.

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  20. [Note: PippaHall posted this comment on July 28, 2011.]

    I felt sorry for Faith, it’s like events always seem to conspire against her.

    One thing that bugs me though – is that Buffy killed Gwen Post who was HUMAN – [all right the lightning blast finished her off after Buffy threw the glass that took her arm off but wouldn’t she have bled out from that anyway?] so there goes the no killing humans rule.

    Was it allowed because it was in combat [ie hot blood not cold blood?

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  21. [Note: Gemma posted this comment on December 15, 2011.]

    Whenever i watch this episode and the credits roll i’m always left with a feeling of remorse for Faith, she has truly been dealt a bad hand. Her first watcher was killed in front of her and Gwen Post manipulated her for own endeavours to gain power. Not only this but she is feeling isolated when it comes to Buffy and the gang. This is first notable when during a patrol Faith shares some of her perceptions regarding men and her relationship with a few of them. She doesn’t get this in return from Buffy who remains tight lipped about her romance with Angel. These out of the loop feelings escalate when she isn’t made aware of the intervention the gang try on Buffy. Trust is a big issue for Faith and by the end of this episode she doesn’t seem to believe she can trust anyone but herself. The events set in motion by Mrs Post is the conducive catalyst that sets Faith on the path for self destruction. I guess its fair to assume that Faith has an inherent distrust of others from this episode and this is why confessing to the accident which occurs in Bad Girls is so hard for Faith. – well thats my conclusion anyway.

    Willow is having conflicting feelings this episode regarding her relationship with Oz and her feelings for Xander. These feelings are what leads her to be least angry at Buffy when it comes to light that Angel is alive. Xander on the other hand is on form in this episode, his disliking of Angel stems from past seasons and he is soon egging Faith on into action, which isn’t difficult with her penchant for violence and slaying.

    Giles; where to start. I felt so sorry for him in this episode. How could Buffy not confide in him, after everything Angel did to him in Becoming pt 2! This was such a poignant and prominent moment if the episode. What he said to her highlighted the greyness of the situation. Nothing will be black and white when it comes to Buffy and Angel. This fact serves as a motivating factor for his leaving at the end of the season. This raises a number of points; Is Angel and Angelus so divergent? Will it be easy for Giles to separate them after past events? Buffy is more amenable to it, she sees Angel as a man, something more. She feels a difference, and she utilises these feelings to help her perceive Angel’s true intentions but she is also a where that she can not give in to her emotions.

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  22. [Note: Odon posted this comment on February 1, 2012.]

    PippaHallJul 28, 2011 (Thu) @ 11:12am

    One thing that bugs me though – is that Buffy killed Gwen Post who was HUMAN – [all right the lightning blast finished her off after Buffy threw the glass that took her arm off but wouldn’t she have bled out from that anyway?] so there goes the no killing humans rule. Was it allowed because it was in combat [ie hot blood not cold blood?

    Buffy is allowed to kill humans in self defense (and in defense of another) just like any human being.

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  23. [Note: Sarah posted this comment on February 13, 2012.]

    I love this episode, but I was really Really annoyed at how quickly Buffy and Xander made up at the end, if you can call it making up. I much prefer the intervention seen where they were at least being honest with each other. The dialogue at the end of the episode should have been just as probing, but it seems like the writers just wanted to wrap it up quickly. Buffy simply asking, “Are we cool?” is hardly believable. I’m just not buying it. Though I do buy Xander faking his “ya”. The rift between these two is clearly still growing, yet somehow Buffy seems to either not realize it or is just repressing the realization.

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  24. [Note: Gemma posted this comment on March 26, 2012.]

    I think the rift forming between Buffy and Xander doesn’t really begin to heal until The WIsh. His anger towards her and the secrecy surrounding Angel’s return is rooted in the secrets he himself is keeping regarding Willow and his betrayal towards Cordelia. Once the events of Lover’s Walk his anger subsides, asking Buffy how she coped and dealt with her love life drama. He still has issues with Angel though which mellow in Amends.

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  25. [Note: Dave posted this comment on May 12, 2012.]

    So tired of the Buffy/Angel and Xander/Willow stuff by this point. They’re clearly already doomed and feel very forced into the story. Would have liked more development for Mrs. Post.

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  26. [Note: Gemma posted this comment on August 4, 2012.]

    I don’t think we needed much more development of Gwen Post, she did what she was meant to and that was to strengthen Faiths failing belief in trusting people. This episode worked well in developing this character trait of Faith’s; the first step was the gang shutting Faith out of the Angel intervention, then the events at the mansion with Mrs Post and during this Buffy arrives to save Angel who in Faith’s mind is evil.

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  27. [Note: Great Whazoo posted this comment on August 24, 2012.]

    Reply to Rekidk #6, I felt the same way about Gilles concerns, plus the worry that Post’s first anoouncements included a report on Gilles performance. She re-inforced her point about Gilles famiiarity with his slayer wasn’t by the Watcher’s Code. Thus his “coolness” towards her after the Angel revelation.

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  28. [Note: TheShanshuProphecy posted this comment on October 22, 2012.]

    Buffy didn’t kill Gwen Post – the glove had to be taken so the arm had to go – but Buffy didn’t cause her death

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  29. [Note: Summer posted this comment on December 22, 2012.]

    Nice conversation about Xander. Being a fan even I didn’t really like him during the intervention because he was “way harsh, Tai”. But he’s highly emotional, flawed, often frustrated because of his inadequacies, torn between allegiance and love for Buffy that can’t quite be reciprocated and sometimes he feels like he’s the only one who can see the danger right in front of their faces. They don’t exactly know what would set Angel off again. That’s gotta be scary. So you can kinda see why he’d go off on her but it isn’t pretty. I appreciated when Buffy kinda reached out to him in the end. She seems to respect his ability to take her to task. Still, no, the scene isn’t pretty.

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  30. [Note: Gemma posted this comment on January 18, 2013.]

    I have much respect for Xander’s character. Yes there are flaws, his jealousy and as you say Summer his inadequacies, being the only human in the group. He is growing up with this fact. In the later seasons, especially 7 he and Dawn seem to be the same character but at differing ages. Xander knows what its like growing up with a Slayer, a Witch, a Watcher, a Vampire etc He has been gallant and found his ability and nature where as Dawn is just going through this now she is no longer the Key. In a way especially in Potential, Xander is telling Dawn (during their heart to heart at the end) you don’t need to have supernatural abilities to have specialness. These early seasons are his developmentAnyone agree?

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  31. [Note: Waverley posted this comment on January 19, 2013.]

    Absolutely, I agree. When I went back to watch the entire series from the beginning, after a fairly long hiatus from watching the show, I was quite taken aback by how jealous and immature Xander could be in the early seasons. Since he’s one of my favourite characters I was surprised that I even found him annoying at some stages in the reviewing. That I was so surprised speaks a lot to the character development in the show, since by the time it came to a close Xander had really matured at that stage.Interesting point about Xander and Dawn. It got me thinking – I never found Xander’s jealousy and immaturity annoying on the first viewing. This is probably since I was the same age as him at the ime, and therefore just as immature (OK, moreso). I imagine a lot of the audience were at the same age too so had a similar reaction. But by the time Dawn came a long we, the audience, had grown up a bit and so probabl had less tolerance for immaturity. I’m sure this point has been made before but that’s probably a major reason why Dawn often provokes a negative reaction (personally though, I never sisliked her and I thought the character brought something the show needed).It’s just a shame we never got to see Dawn developed out of that immature stage much in the same way we did with Xander.

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  32. [Note: Gemma posted this comment on January 20, 2013.]

    Waverly, i too never openly disliked Dawn, there were moments during the shows season six that i thought hold up kid no need to be that whinny! On the other hand you couldn’t blame her, she lost her Dad at a young age, her Mam and Buffy albeit temporary. Giles left and perhaps both Angel and Riley’s leaving affected her? She was a difficult character to truly like in the same way i liked the other scooby’s (Buffy being my favourite). You’re right about Xander, the first time i watched the episodes i never concluded his immaturity or jealousy as annoying. Its on my constant and frequent re-watchs that they stand out most notably his dislike of Buffy’s boyfriends (except perhaps Riley..guess he considered him a regular guy?) It would be nice to have seen more of Dawn establishing her mature character, Potential was a great episode for the beginning of this process though. Dawn’s concept, her creation i think may have been to have Buffy has intense about someone as she was with Angel in Season 2, particularly Surprise when he was leaving with the severed arm. Nice that it wasn’t a boyfriend this time.

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  33. [Note: Arachnea posted this comment on February 23, 2013.]

    Like I said in an earlier episode, Xander is a necessary character: for good drama, you must have conflicts, or at least a voice that doesn’t go with the flow.
    Also, at this age, the girls are (usually) more mature than the guys, so it makes sense that he acts more childishly. He doesn’t know how to act upon his emotions and it all comes very wrongly.

    In the precedent episode, Jammer said that Willow/Xander secret relation isn’t in character. It is very true for Willow, but not for Xander who doesn’t know what and who he wants: Willow, Buffy, Cordelia ? Well, I think he never really cared for Cordy, it was just nice for him to have a girl kiss him. But if Buffy, at any moment, had sincerely asked him out, he would have dumped Cordelia in a second. Xander represents the more real average teenager and I thank the writers for that (not everyone is perfect).

    Giles’ reaction is top notch ! He can’t excuse or forgive Buffy for hiding the truth, but he can understand it. His words of disappointment have more impact than any shouting could have.

    I very much liked the character development for Faith. At the end, we truly see the gap between her and Buffy, just by the clothing and the discussion in a shabby room. Buffy, before becoming the slayer, had an easy life, living in a comfortable house with no concern for money, paying school, clothes or entertainment. She also has friends. Faith is alone, poor, had to deal with street life and had to rely on herself most of the time. No wonder she doesn’t want to count on anyone else but herself.

    Most of all, we see how easy it is to blame everyone but oneself:
    Buffy is self-righteous on more than one occasion, judging people on things she herself has done and giving them a small good speech. Xander is self-righteous when it comes to Angel, but isn’t able to see his own shortcomings. Cordelia gives quick judgements and spits them out without tact and doesn’t acknowledge her shallowness (but at least her feelings ring true and she’s always honest).

    If nothing else, the adage: love is blind couldn’t be more true here. Could you still love someone who has killed hundreds of people ? Could you love someone who tortured your father figure, killed his girlfriend, threatened your mother and friends ? Well, we cannot know for sure, because love is sure blind… And that’s why Xander is the necessary hated character on the show. cqfd (I don’t know what letters you use in english, that’s what you put at the end of a theorem in french: Ce Qu’il Fallait Démontrer/What had to be demonstrated, proven).

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  34. [Note: MikeJer posted this comment on February 23, 2013.]

    Who’s this “Jammer” you’re referring to? Are you perhaps confusing me with the Star Trek reviews Jammer? If so, thanks, his reviews are really good!

    Anyway, good comment! I’d just like to add that love doesn’t always have to be blind and that it can be dangerous if it’s too blind. It is for many people, especially younger ones. Building a mature and stable relationship, though, usually takes a lot more than blind love to work. That’s not applicable to the characters at this point in the show (although it is something Buffy is beginning to learn), but it will become more apparent as the seasons go on.

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  35. [Note: Arachnea posted this comment on February 23, 2013.]

    I am so so sorry… Now that my kids are out of the nest, I just finished re-watching Trek and yes, I was a lot on Jammer’s site. Please, accept my sincere apologies MikeJer, I won’t do it again !

    And I agree, I’d say love is almost always blind for the first months and then, you start to build something else and if you stay blinded, the foundations of the relation are twisted. But it is very true for our young characters at this point in the show. Thanks for your answer (and again, sorry sorry sorry).

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  36. [Note: angryundead posted this comment on April 25, 2013.]

    “Five by Five” has pretty clear roots in radio signal procedure. (Military and Amateur.) I learned about it some time in 1995 when I was getting my HAM license.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_procedure
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_by_five

    It was also used in the movie Aliens in 1986 and the same phrase was copied by StarCraft in 1998 so it’s safe to say that it was not introduced by BtvS and Faith, who didn’t utter the phrase until Season 3 also in 1998.

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  37. [Note: L.P posted this comment on June 8, 2013.]

    I think Xander using Ms Calender in his argument is very manipulative, as is nudging Faith towards killing Angel. His arguments are sound, but I just don’t buy that he was that affected by Ms C’s death (he wasn’t shown to be close to Ms C at all) or that convinced Angel was going to turn again.

    Among all his flaws, this is one that bothers me the most, and I find it incredible that Buffy continues to be his friend. It’s so frustrating when, once again, Buffy is the first to make up. But I guess that’s what makes her a hero.

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  38. [Note: Kyle posted this comment on June 24, 2013.]

    In my opinion, the only reason that Xander, Willow, Giles, etc. should be mad at Buffy is that she didn’t have the faith or trust in them to tell them about Angel. However, Buffy’s friends went too far when they said Angel might be dangerous. Xander’s plain assumption (or apparent assumption) that Angel is still evil was completely out of line, and the fact that he always has to bring Mrs. Calendar up when something like this happens is just rude and is only reminding Buffy of what she already knows. Cordelia’s reaction was also uncalled for (although it is Cordelia). Buffy knows what she’s doing, every time her friends question that, I get really annoyed. And then Willow’s reason that Buffy can’t think straight when it comes to Angel (which is true) was also a little flawed. I think Buffy would know if Angel was evil, and I think she can be completely trusted not to have sex again with Angel knowing what the consequences would be. Were the lessons Buffy learned in season 2 all lost on her friends? Regardless of what Willow said, I appreciated her not being in-your-face about the whole situation like Xander and Cordelia. And then Giles. He would have been completely justified in what he said to Buffy had Angelus been back instead of Angel, but that wasn’t the case. His reasoning that Buffy doesn’t respect him or the job he performs is BS. Buffy certainly does respect Giles. Was that Giles Buffy rescued out of love and concern at the end of “Passion”, or was that a different Giles?
    Anyway my comments were not debasing the quality of the episode. I thought everybody acted in character. I just get annoyed with the flaws of the characters sometimes.

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  39. [Note: thebuffster posted this comment on August 6, 2013.]

    The thing that I find most disgusting about Xander in this episode is when he’s talking to Faith about how Buffy didn’t seem to care that “angel with the glove could kill a whole mess if people.” This is beyond insulting to Buffy as a person, friend, and slayer. She sacrifed her one true love for the world and is constantly making sacrifices for the good of the world and Xander has the audacity to say something like that!? He also keeps ripping into her about Jenny Calendars death, as if she didn’t already feel guilty enough. I don’t think Xander becomes a good friend to Buffy until Angel is out of the picture. Anyways, love the reviews Mike! Can’t wait to read all of your updated ones (:

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  40. [Note: Agamemnon posted this comment on November 25, 2013.]

    cqfd (I don’t know what letters you use in english, that’s what you put at the end of a theorem in french: Ce Qu’il Fallait Démontrer/What had to be demonstrated, proven).

    In the U.S. we use QED, from the latin “quod erat demonstrandum” meaning something like “that which had to be demonstrated”, pretty much the same thing.

    I have some mixed feelings on Xander in this episode. Overall I agree with Gemma and Waverley that he shows amazing growth between now and Season 7, but I feel there are some hints of this even here. The scene with the unconscious (as usual) Giles in the library is revealing, Xander is quite distressed that Faith is going after Angel alone. Clearly he’s not pro-Angel, but I wonder if he was intending something a little more reasonable here. My thought is that he may have wanted to confront Angel with a slayer present to convince himself that things really were okay, not with the intention of killing Angel, but with a slayer along for insurance. From his perspective, Buffy has a huge blind spot when it comes to Angel, and he wants to see for himself if Angel is resouled or not. Then, when things fall apart in the library and Faith is going off by herself, he’s visibly distressed because he knows she’s just going to attack, which wasn’t his plan. Maybe I’m reading too much into that scene, and I’m certainly not saying that Xander’s jealousy isn’t affecting his judgement, but we may be seeing some hints of his future growth here.

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  41. [Note: ML posted this comment on January 14, 2014.]

    Agreed. Actually, I hated Xander for bringing Jenny Calendar’s death up. Out of all the Scoobies, he was clearly the least affected by her death. He brought it up more because it manipulated others to think Angel should be out of the picture too, to remind them all of who they lost: Giles’ girlfriend, Willow’s beloved teacher who was still influencing her even after her death through her research of magic, and, of course, made Buffy feel even more guilty. Also, it’s clear that he still wants Buffy even though he’s dating Cordy, bringing up Jenny Calendar’s death also allowed him to defend himself from the truth: he was jealous.
    I have no idea how people actually think Xander’s “Kick his ass” could be motivated by anything other than jealousy and selfishness. It’s really not about the consequences of the comment: maybe saying they were trying to restore Angel’s soul would have bad consequences, or maybe it wouldn’t. It’s really not about what’s better for Buffy or the world, for that matter, it’s about him wanting Angel out of the picture.

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  42. [Note: Cheeseandwhine posted this comment on January 27, 2014.]

    This episode has one of my favorite quotes in the whole series.

    Buffy: It was an accident!
    Xander: What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?

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  43. [Note: ericas623 posted this comment on February 27, 2014.]

    I’m not justifying Xander’s behavior at all, because it was frustrating, but I think it’s always part of a trend with him. As the series moves forward and Buffy and Xander both develop new romantic relationships, Xander definitely matures, but, on some level, he’s always held back by this deeply rooted jealousy. (SPOILER) IN S6, when Xander finds out about Buffy and Spike at the same time he watches Anya having sex with Spike, he seems far more bent out of shape about the Buffy reveal and even admits that he understands why Anya slept with Spike, but not Buffy. Xander even frequently Riley, who is clearly the only boyfriend Buffy has that Xander accepts, at the beginning of his relationship with Buffy. SPOILER AGAIN. That’s why even when Xander’s concerns are legitimate and appear sincere, e.g., after Spike’s attempted rape of Buffy, it’s hard not to wonder how much of that concern stems from his own jealous nature.

    Regarding the episode’s final conversation between Buffy and Xander, which some people felt was too forced or didn’t buy it, I think it was designed to be that way. Buffy has always had a soft spot for Xander’s affections for her. Ever since she shot him down in S1, Buffy takes the high road in response to Xander’s many displays of jealousy over the last few seasons. She easily could have called him out on his jealousy before this episode, and yet it only seemed like she did as a defensive reflex when she was being cornered. Since neither party was completely right or wrong, it’s hard to apologize after the intervention and Buffy asking if they are cool seems like the temporary fix.

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  44. [Note: Freudian Vampire posted this comment on February 27, 2014.]

    Just a note – these reviews are retrospective and can and will contain spoilers for the entire series. All comments likewise. There is no need to ever post spoiler warnings unless you are talking about other shows like Breaking Bad etc.

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  45. [Note: Sasukespecialman posted this comment on February 27, 2014.]

    Man, people on this site sure seem to hate Xander. Wouldn’t his acceptance of Riley be reasonable evidence that there is some legitimacy to his concerns for Buffy and not just jealousy. After all, he did happen to be right in the long term about both Angel (who went bad and killed Jenny) and Spike (who attempted to rape Buffy). On the other hand, his appreciation for Riley as a positive influence on Buffy and a truly supportive partner suggests that he is really only looking out for what he thinks in best for her. In fact, after he denies her spell-influenced advances in late season 2, Xander never really seems to harbor the same kind of crush on Buffy as he displayed until that point. I agree that he is often a jerk in the way he expresses himself, and there surely is a personal frustration tied to the whole thing, but that simply makes his character more realistic and human.

    I am not how Xander is less affected by Jenny’s death than anyone else, except maybe Giles. I don’t remember the exact words he uses, but bringing up Jenny’s death in the context of a conversation about the potential risks of allowing Angel and Buffy to fraternize seems pretty relevant and poignant to me. In fact, it would be kind of silly if no one mentioned that the last time they got involved a close friend was killed, another tortured, and another left in a coma.

    Man, this show has some awesomely rich characters! I loves it!

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  46. [Note: Freudian Vampire posted this comment on February 27, 2014.]

    1) I think a lot of people on this site dislike Xander as a person, rather than a character.

    2) He was not right in the long term about Angel, who is no more accountable for his actions as Angelus than Xander was when possessed by the hyena. Angel should not be blamed for any of the things he happened to do when he went evil. It’s his morally dubious actions in his souled life that he should be held accountable for.

    3)Xander does care for Buffy, but he seems to think that these things are in some way up to him. They’re not. His opinion should be valued but he in no way has any right to dictate how Buffy lives her life, and the fact that he thinks he does is one of his least endearing qualities.

    4)Xander was less affected by Ms Calendar’s death than Willow because Willow was always closer to her. I can’t think of any specific examples off the top of my head, but I think we saw more of a bond between those two than any of the other Scoobies had with Jenny, excepting Giles. Buffy is equally devastated, because she blames herself for the emergence of Angelus. Xander … knew her. I don’t think I ever got the impression they were particularly good friends. Him bringing her up in discussions like this is motivated by nothing other than pure, petty jealousy over the power Angel has over Buffy.

    In short – what everyone else said.

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  47. [Note: Sasukespecialman posted this comment on February 27, 2014.]

    1) Oddly, through the first four seasons, he is the one I associate the most with, in both his negative and positive qualities. I don’t know if I like him the most, but I understand the character quite well.

    2) He was right about Angel in the sense that Angel went bad and killed people. Whether or not Angel had control over those actions is not the point, rather that the long-term fraternization with a vampire, albeit one with a soul, resulted in very negative consequences for the group. I don’t even know if he hated Angel on the level of personality, he just saw a threat and was right to do so. I love Angel as a character, so it is not about taking sides; rather, the difficulties of the second season would have been almost completely avoided had they cut off ties with Angel. Heck, Angel himself realizes this! It is why he leaves!

    3) I agree with this. The way he often acts towards Buffy is often condescending and paternalistic. But, I don’t like how some people seem to infer that it is tied to “jealousy” of Angel or Spike or whomever. He has a normative concept of what he thinks is best for Buffy (probably originally derived from the most healthy qualities he saw in himself), but it is done, I think, out of legitimate compassion, friendship and affection. Watching him learn to interact more healthily with characters through the third and fourth seasons and getting to understand why he acted this way in the first place is part of Xander’s compelling character arc to me. I find no reason to dislike him more for his paternalism than to dislike Buffy for her selfishness or Willow for her destructiveness. They have things to overcome.

    4) As someone that has lost close people and has seen the chaos that comes from “I am the most affected by this loss!” type mentalities, I just can’t agree with this. He was part of the group, he cares for Giles, and he seemingly liked Jenny. As a member of the group and someone that fought alongside the others for a long time, I imagine he was affected greatly by the loss. Him bringing her up is more emphasis, and it is the most powerful argument he has in his favor. As I said, if he *didn’t* mention the fact that last time Buffy and Angel hooked up it resulted in some serious pain and suffering, he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in the discussion. I credit the character for being the only one who ever seemed willing to just call BS when he saw it, even if it wasn’t done in a particularly constructive manner.

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  48. [Note: Freudian Vampire posted this comment on February 28, 2014.]

    I still don’t think he was right about Angel. He saw Angel as a romantic rival first and a threat to Buffy second, and even then he believed that Angel was going to do bad things with a soul. Angel didn’t, so Xander was wrong.

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  49. [Note: FlyingPenguin posted this comment on May 2, 2014.]

    There’s lots of complicated stuff in this episode that makes it hard for me to sort out how much I like or dislike it–though just the fact that it’s so meaty and engaging is definitely a point in its favor! For this post, though, I’ll restrict my comments to the conflict among the characters over Angel.

    I agree with posters who have commented that the only thing Buffy did wrong was to keep the fact that Angel was back a secret. This seems to have been what upset Giles the most, so his reaction was pretty reasonable. So, in my opinion, was Willow’s; when she says that she thinks Buffy can’t always think clearly where Angel is concerned, my interpretation is that it’s Buffy’s very dubious decision to keep Angel’s return a secret–and not necessarily anything else–that has her concerned. Xander, for his part, definitely reacts more emotionally than rationally–but even though I’m less sympathetic to his point of view here than I was to his anti-Angel arguments in late 2nd season episodes, I also find his reaction understandable, even if not really defensible–so I don’t “hate” him for it (either as a character or as a person). (His intial reaction, that is; he crossed a line with his eagerness to help faith kill Angel, and I was less happy with that part of the episode.)

    Personally, I read the Buffy/Xander “make up” scene at the end as both sincere and appropriate. Xander pretty much admits that he was overreacting, and Buffy accepts that. Buffy, for her part, implicitly solicits forgiveness for her ill-advised secret-keeping when she asks if they’re “cool.” The resolution seemed reasonable to me.

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  50. [Note: FlyingPenguin posted this comment on May 2, 2014.]

    You know, I liked Gwendolyn Post well enough as a character, but a lot of things surrounding her bring up vexing plot/mythology questions. Most of these questions were already there before this episode, but they get harder to ignore here.

    For instance, what sense can be made of her disdainful attitude about the alleged inadequacy of Giles’s book collection? How can this reflect poorly on Giles himself, as opposed to on the Watchers Council in general? Does the council not supply the Watcher with any materials? Is it really up to Giles to assemble a personal collection of relevant reference materials on his own? What use, exactly, is the council? (I realize that Gwen turned out to be a lying rogue and all that, but still–that her attitude was taken at all seriously indicates that Giles found it plausible for another watcher to have an attitude like hers…)

    Similarly, from a few episodes earlier: What was all the nonsense about a watchers retreat to which Giles wasn’t invited? It was played for laughs, with Giles feeling miffed that he was not “honored” with an invitation–but does this make any sense! He is *the* watcher of *the* slayer! (Leaving aside Faith and her erstwhile watcher, about which, see below.) Wouldn’t one expect the council’s activities and attention to pretty much revolve around Giles, as *the* actual, active watcher?

    This all relates, also, to nagging questions about the calling of first Kendra, then Faith, and the assigning of watchers to each of them. Obviously, the council knew/found out somehow that Kendra had been called. So why were Giles and Buffy kept in the dark? (For that matter, Kendra didn’t seem to know about Buffy before they met, either.) And why did Kendra seem to have been training with a watcher all her life, rather than only for the few months since she had been “chosen”?

    Can anyone make sense of any of this?

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  51. [Note: FlyingPenguin posted this comment on May 2, 2014.]

    I’m somewhat surprised that there’s not much commentary thus far about the Willow/Xander thing in this episode. A lot of people reacted negatively to it in the comments under the two previous episodes, but for me, it’s not until this episode that I start to have real problems with it.

    I can’t say that their whole making-out-behind-their-respective-partners’-backs thing is something that I can really relate to personally (any times in my life when I might have been in a position similar to theirs, I acted very differently) or approve of, and I’m not inclined to simply write it off with an excuse like “well, they’re young and immature”–but at the same time, I was pretty okay with what happened in Homecoming (and definitely didn’t find it out of character). I mean, calling what they did “cheating” on their respective boyfriend/girlfriend is slightly harsh; it was one kiss, in the “heat of the moment,” that they both immediately felt guilty about. Admittedly, I have a hard time with the way people on TV often act as though these sorts of unexpected bursts of passion render them momentarily incapable of controlling themselves–but still, people *do* really make mistakes. If it had ended there, and if they had both done the right thing and ‘fessed up about it, it would all be pretty understandable.

    (Re: in or out of character… It’s clear that Willow still has feelings for Xander at least as late as Consequences, and I can easily believe–despite her general decentness as a person–that she could have a moment of weakness in the face of Xander all handsomed up and suddenly reciprocating. As for Xander, it’s been established that he tends to want what he can’t have, romantically. Seeing Willow all dressed up, in the context of their banter about her relationship with Oz, suddenly altered his perception of her; he says himself it’s as though he suddenly sees her for the first time…)

    In this episode, though, when they give in and start making out in the library, that’s a lot less forgivable. After one moment of weakness that you regret, there isn’t much excuse for giving in to temptation again, unless you’ve decided “the hell with it–let’s pursue this and break off our other relationships” (which wasn’t the case). And Willow is usually the character to advocate communication and honesty, so her dithering and stalling here does seem a bit out of character to me. Partly for that reason, I did really like the scene where she was about to spill her guts to Buffy (hopefully as a first step to ultimately coming clean to Oz). Unfortunately, though, she then chickens out (for no apparent reason) after the demon attack interrupts her confession–which I found quite disappointing.

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  52. [Note: Seele posted this comment on May 3, 2014.]

    Yes, well, paramilitary forces as a whole tend to look down on the people who do the work as being inferior to the people telling them what work to do. They don’t even think the Slayer herself is anymore than a thing to be pointed at demons until one of them dies, why would Giles be treated much better?

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  53. [Note: FlyingPenguin posted this comment on May 3, 2014.]

    Point taken, but the council is made up watchers (mainly former and future/potential ones, presumably), isn’t it? So wouldn’t Giles sort of be “one of their own”–specifically, the one currently doing the thing that they all exist and have been trained to do?

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  54. [Note: ericas623 posted this comment on May 14, 2014.]

    I don’t hate Xander at all, but I find his behavior frustrating this episode.

    I also don’t take issue with Xander bringing up Jenny’s death because he wasn’t as close with her. The problem is that he is using her death as a way to voice his own feeling of jealousy rather than to pay tribute to her, as Buffy points out. It seems particularly cruel that he says this in front of Giles who was genuinely devastated by Jenny’s death.

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  55. [Note: Lydia posted this comment on May 18, 2014.]

    I think I side with Xander on this one, although not completely. His delivery was rough and vicious and a little too straightforward, sure, but he wasn’t wrong. Xander’s reaction (or rather “overreaction”) here was understandable and forgiveable too, what wasn’t forgivable was 1. Him cheating on Cordy. 2. His lying to Buffy about Willow’s Spell in Becoming Part 2.
    Angel killed someone that these people knew and had come to care about, it’s not easy to forget something like that. I bet the others were thinking it, too, but Xander and Cordelia were the only ones who had the guts to say it.
    I’ve always believed Xander hated Angel, but not as much as people say.
    In one of the season 2 episodes, he even says, “Angel’s our friend.”
    But he’s always despised vampires, that and add the facts that Angelus tried to kill him and his jealously, it makes Xander’s behaviour valid.
    To a teenage Xander, it’s all quite simple.
    Ridding the world of yet another demon who I just happen to have a grudge over.
    It doesn’t constitute as a bad thing in my book.
    Anyway, despite this, I hate how the Scoobies are always everready to jump on the ‘Buffy made a mistake? Let’s keep reminding her about it and torture her for an almighty slayer must do no wrong!’ bandwagon.
    They all have flaws. Willow seems most likeable, but under the nerdy awkwardness and adorableness, she isn’t the saint many paint her to be.
    Xander is perhaps the most flawed character on this show. Always jumping to conclusions, being exceptionally naive, letting his emotions overrule his judgement, lacking maturity, respect and control.
    Giles was probably the only one here who had the right to be majorly upset.
    (Quick note: Giles has been on fire these past 2-3 episodes. This may just be his best season yet. ;))
    And Cordelia, well…She’s Cordelia.
    Oz is another one who didn’t really have a place in the intervention, he was probably just sticking around because of Willow.
    As Willow goes, so does his nation. Haha.
    But yes, they need to learn to cut some slack when it comes to Buffy.
    She already has enough pressure to power a small wid-western city. LOL.

    Two things I disliked in this episode. The forced and annoying Xander/Willow kiss, and the inappropriate and also forced Bangel kiss.
    Perhaps this view I have is because I dislike Bangel. I think boring Riley was better for her than him! Buffy was blinded by puppy love when it came to Angel, naive and irresponsible, that is never a good thing.
    Angel KNEW what happened the last time he got together with Buffy,
    and he has the nerve to kiss her again after that?
    Ugh. It just pisses me off and propels how bad they are for each other–and not in a sexy, fun way. I just feel like maybe Angel should’ve come back on his own show instead of coming back to Btvs Season 3, sure there was thematic relevance for him being there in the later seasons, but still.

    I also like the way Faith was used here. They’re planting seeds for her downwards spiral right here. It’s a bit sad to see her like this, she was actually reaching out these first few episodes, and actually considered the Scoobies as her friends. She probably never had real friends before this. I think that meant a lot to her. You can tell she respected Buffy in these earlier episodes, in small subtle ways. Like how she took ‘revenge’ on Scott Hope by messing with him after he dumped Buffy. And in this episode, when Buffy spat at her, you could see the hurt on her face before she stalked off.
    I’ve always felt like IF ONLY they’d been more open towards her, she wouldn’t have had it as bad as she did.
    Faith makes me realize how good Buffy actually has it compared to other slayers.
    We’ve come to sympathize with Buffy’s character eversince the beginning of the show, but now I’m starting to realize something. Let’s consider all the other slayers to ever be shown on BTVS. There was Kendra, this girl had it horrible. Her parents had dropped her off at her Watcher’s, she had no social life, no fun, no friends. All work and no play was her motto. When we last see Kendra, she’s killed off rather easily by Drusilla. Another slayer meets her terrible fate, and no, she does not get to come back to life, like Buffy did…twice.
    Then we have Faith, she lived life alone, no friends, no stable family, no moral codes or rules at all. And she got to watch her Watcher get killed! Considering Faith’s background, I was surprised she was as sane as she was. Then when she finally does come to Sunnydale, she feels neglected and unimportant.
    She’s treated as the outcast, ‘the other slayer’, not The Slayer, and even the friends she’d thought she’d made didn’t seem to return the feelings.
    It’s sad, really… Especially knowing her fate. At least she comes out strong by the end of it all! Compare Buffy to the Potentials, the Potential from Angel’s episode ‘Damage’, Wood’s Mother and the other Slayer Spike kills and you come to realize that Buffy had it good.

    Hell, She was living the American Dream in Slayer standards. She beat all Slayer odds, she had loyal friends, a father figure, a sister who loved her, two bad-turned-good vampires in love with her who would do ANYTHING for her, and a semi-stable/normal life. What more could a slayer ask for?
    I know she still had it quite rough, I can feel for her, i still do and always will. But yeah, sometimes I dislike Buffy’s self-righteous and self-pitying attitudes.

    Anyway I could go on and on about my likes and dislikes with this episode, but I’m going to stop blabbering for now.

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  56. [Note: ericas623 posted this comment on May 23, 2014.]

    Xander says, hilariously, “Angel is our friend, except I don’t like him.” I don’t think that shows any thawing of his cold attitude towards Angel.

    However, I think Xander’s hatred towards Angel starts to dwindle in early season 3, after he exposes Buffy’s secret that Angel is alive and likely getting back together. He seems to relent or maybe just accept the reality of the situation when he says things should be okay so long as Buffy and Angel do not sleep together.

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  57. [Note: Nix posted this comment on June 23, 2014.]

    Aside: you note in one of your more recent reviews that episode 7 of every season (including the first!) is especially significant.

    Nearly half those episodes were written by Doug Petrie, who debuts here.

    The mature BtVS writer’s room is rapidly taking shape.

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  58. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on December 23, 2015.]

    Honestly Xander’s actions here are arguably more despicable than the Lie. He actually actively goes out with Faith to kill Angel instead of just manipulating Buffy this time. Plus it’s kind of clear he’s using her ignorance of the situation as an excuse (not that she’s doing the right thing either but she’s been around less).

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  59. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on December 23, 2015.]

    I guess to be fair like you said he did try to stop Faith once more information came in but at that point Pandora’s Box was open. Not really sure if he learned that much from this experience though.

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  60. [Note: LouisLittForEmperor posted this comment on December 23, 2015.]

    Also got to add the scene following the one where he asks Faith to wait kind of undermines the good will (I’ve been watching snippets). Since he pretty much shows no regret that Faith went after her afterwards. This implies that he either changed his mind or he just felt like screwing with Buffy for good reason.

    The fact that this guy was at all likeable after this point is nothing short of a miracle.

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